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    Some great points have been made and I hope you have a good outcome 5ITB.

    I, too, think it's odd that it is assumed children of atheists don't learn about religion.

    The main point is the difference between learning one religion as fact and learning about many religions from a cultural and historical perspective.

    Growing up, I was taught about the beliefs of many, many different religions and I was exposed to varying religious practices. I knew more about religion and the diverse beliefs which exist than any of my peers at high school who came from Christian households - excluding one friend, who was also an atheist.

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    We are religious household and my children don't do RE at school as the teachings are different to our beliefs. But if they were handed something I would just brush it off as an accident and explain my view of feelings to the child but leave it at that. I think it would be ok to let the teacher know that your child was given it and you were disappointed. I think that kids won't feel like their missing out if they are given reasons why they don't do RE. My kids have overheard the RE lessons before and come home telling me what they were doing in that lesson but I feel they are just learning that everyone is different when they hear something contrary to our beliefs.
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    I think religious education should be taught in schools from a Geography POV. I think children should be taught the about the basic beliefs of at least all the main****** religions, about creationism and also the meaning of atheism and agnosticism. After that all kids can make an informed choice. Until all information and variables are presented anything else can only be construed as indoctrination

    I do also think that seeing we have the Westminster form of law, that the history of law and the ten commandments should also be covered, but maybe at an older level of secondary school.

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    I would be annoyed, but would take it with a pinch of salt really and explain that some people believe things that we dont. I would speak to the teacher though.

    Religious people that go on about God outside of church annoy the living **** out of me. I certainly dont believe that public schools should be preaching this stuff

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    I firmly believe teaching religion as fact has no place in the public school system, and the blatant discrimination against children who don't participate sh!!s me up the wall!
    I would put in a written complaint and request a meeting. Paper trails are always better than "but SHE said..." IYKWIM.
    To the few who think it's no big deal, as an atheist parent, it is a big deal to many of us who have seen our children excluded, criticised and pitied... PITIED! by religious people. It's infuriating and we have very little recourse at the moment because religious political parties have blocked ethics classes and the discrimination is allowed to continue.

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    Hi 5ITB

    I am a religious mother but I am appalled by you childrens school. Not only that they were given this drawing - like you said maybe it was an accident??? but that they teach one kind of religion and make the other children sit up the back of the class or get separated based on their families beliefs...wow so say you kid has a friend in the scripture class they are made to stand up and leave or made to sit in the back of the room and not participate...young scripture studies from memory are kinda fun (like games and stuff) so you have to explain why they miss out....thats really terrible. .

    I am Anglican with a Catholic husband and we are yet to baptise our son so this obviously is not a problem for me but equally I would be upset if my sons school was teaching another religion as fact instead of a choice. Especially as young as kindergarten

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    ..by now I'm sure many know my stance on religion -- it is a VERY personal thing and I think it is super crazy that SRI still exists in public schools in this day and age.My children have been signed onto the 'Special Religious Education Exclusion' list at school. They are taken to another classroom at Scripture time to do activities such as colouring, games etc [That in itself is another thread...but anywhooo].It was after me meeting with the principal of the school that they now go to a seperate room, before they just sat up the back of the class.Things have been okay for the last three or so weeks... but today DS2 came home with this...http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...4&l=158a2a3622He had returned to his 'non-scripture' class into his normal classroom, where they must have been wrapping up the lesson -- the 'teacher' {term used lightly} handed him this and suggested he colour it in. I am furious to say the least and am trying to come up with some kind of wording to attach my own 'message' to be returned with this -- either to the volunteer in question or to the principal ...not sure yet.It's bad enough that my children feel left out and isolated by this weekly practise in a public school..this is just adding insult to injury.WDYT!?
    I haven't had a read through the whole thread and this is purely a question out of sheer curiosity so please don't take offence in the least. I am purely curious as to your stance on this .. so my question is .. I understand you are against religion and that's totally fine but were your children given a choice? What if they decided they were interested and I have no idea how old your children are, but if they turned to you and said that they wanted to learn about religion and the likes, what would be your stance on that?Again I want to make emphasis on the fact that this is purely a curiosity question. No judgement in the least Oh and I agree that what this teacher did is not on. You made a request and it should be respected.

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    Just on the choice thing, personally, I think DD is a little too young to make a choice about religion as she doesn't have the ability of critical thought, but I wouldn't stop her from going to religious education classes if that is what she truly wanted.

    However, I would encourage her to ask questions rather than just accepting, which is what she already does. We have covered a few different religions at home and what they believe and so far DD has chosen no religion. I have even discussed high schools with her and gave her the choice of where to go (public high schools are not that great here so we have few choices, mostly religious high schools or a Steiner). She didn't want to go anywhere where she HAD to do religious studies. We will continue to look at other cultures and religions at an age appropriate level. We are currently reading about Africa and are up to the nations that believe in voodoo (which is far older than Christianity).

    I plan to do what my parents did for me. For her to find her own spiritual path when she is old enough. My father is an atheist, my mother was Anglican and they let me have free reign when I was a teen to explore other religions to see what was right for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    Just on the choice thing, personally, I think DD is a little too young to make a choice about religion as she doesn't have the ability of critical thought, but I wouldn't stop her from going to religious education classes if that is what she truly wanted.

    However, I would encourage her to ask questions rather than just accepting, which is what she already does. We have covered a few different religions at home and what they believe and so far DD has chosen no religion. I have even discussed high schools with her and gave her the choice of where to go (public high schools are not that great here so we have few choices, mostly religious high schools or a Steiner). She didn't want to go anywhere where she HAD to do religious studies. We will continue to look at other cultures and religions at an age appropriate level. We are currently reading about Africa and are up to the nations that believe in voodoo (which is far older than Christianity).

    I plan to do what my parents did for me. For her to find her own spiritual path when she is old enough. My father is an atheist, my mother was Anglican and they let me have free reign when I was a teen to explore other religions to see what was right for me.
    That was SO well said thank you! I completely agree that each child should have free reign to choose what they want and i think it is wonderful that you allow your DD the choice to explore her own spiritual journey.

    I once knew someone who absolutely insisted her kids not know anything remotely religious related even though her son kep insisting that he wanted to learn (he was 6) about God and the likes. No judgment but I felt sorry for the poor kid who really wanted to learn about it all and his mother refused because that is what she believed.

    Ana Gram I think it's awesome what you do for your DD and thank you so much for giving me your view on this.

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    I only just read the comments on your facebook, FITB, (after some comments on here about it) and had the best laugh ever! Is it terrible that I read all comments from that Sandra woman in a deep southern American accent in my head? But honestly, if you actually know this woman... how do you not smack her?

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