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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post

    Imagine the outrage if I went into a classroom and talked to children about veganism.
    **Off topic** -- I got a flyer in the mail today -- advertising vege dvds 'steps to life' etc... there was a quote on it, "Carnivore: (noun) I. one who permits his stomach to be a living graveyard for the flesh of dead animals."

    Should I photo copy and hand out at school!?


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    Oh dear...

    Evangelicals of all flavours.

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    I think this is all a bit of an over reaction. Perhaps the religious Ed teacher was just a nuffy who either didn't know or forgot about your child being on the exclusion list? Perhaps they were distracted and got confused when your child walked in towards the end and handed your child a coloring sheet out of habit/ so they wouldn't feel left out?

    The coloring sheet wasn't that bad at all. Im not religious and if my son was handed the sheet I would have said "it's a story just like rapunzel or sleeping beauty." No big
    Deal IMO.

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    This is a big deal. Schools are for teaching children facts, not fairy tales pretending to be facts. Yes, they do read stories, but my 5 year old knows fairies, ogres, etc are not actually real, dogs don't actually talk, etc. 5yo even has suspicious about Santa & co already. These "volunteers" teach the bible as if it were history. There is no "Written by", there is no "some people believe" etc. They tell your kids that this is what happened. If I wanted my children to be fed this nonsense, I would either do it myself or send them to a school that is designed for that purpose, or attend church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VicPark View Post
    I think this is all a bit of an over reaction. Perhaps the religious Ed teacher was just a nuffy who either didn't know or forgot about your child being on the exclusion list? Perhaps they were distracted and got confused when your child walked in towards the end and handed your child a coloring sheet out of habit/ so they wouldn't feel left out?

    The coloring sheet wasn't that bad at all. Im not religious and if my son was handed the sheet I would have said "it's a story just like rapunzel or sleeping beauty." No big
    Deal IMO.
    Ofcourse those scenarios have run through my head - that's why I'd like to politely ask what happened.
    But to me - it is a big deal, and if an 'over reaction' is what is needed for people to see where the line is, and that they have crossed it - then I will react.


    I don't want to have to contradict what the 'teachers' are telling the kids... I can't think of any other subjects where I would have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    Ofcourse those scenarios have run through my head - that's why I'd like to politely ask what happened. But to me - it is a big deal, and if an 'over reaction' is what is needed for people to see where the line is, and that they have crossed it - then I will react. I don't want to have to contradict what the 'teachers' are telling the kids... I can't think of any other subjects where I would have to.
    My mum had to correct my high school english teacher several times on her spelling. She would mark things incorrect, when they were not. It resulted in arguments, furious consulting of dictionaries, and then finally a grudging apology. Just sayin'.

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    FITB, I wondered, as others have said, whether the scripture teacher gave the sheet to your child cos she thought he'd just missed out or looked lonely or something, not even to evangelise.

    As to why RE is still taught in public schools - because Christianity in particular is an intrinsic part of our culture. You don't have to believe it or practise it but kids do have the right to understand the traditions behind Easter, Christmas, Valentine's day, St Patrick's day etc.

    And also, as an English teacher, it is vital that kids have a basic knowledge of the main Bible stories. They don't need to believe in Daniel in the lion's den, David and Goliath, the walls of Jerico, Noah's Ark, Jezebel, Jesus' walking on water etc but if they've never heard of them, they'll frankly have difficulty understanding some newspaper headlines, let alone more complex texts.

    I'm on still on leave just till the end of this term and have been teaching scripture to Year 3/4 on a Friday. I have the Principal's class and she is in and out regularly, as is the case with supervision at my own Govt school. I don't expect that kids will be able to learn much about the deep theological points of Christianity in the 20mins per week I have them, but the basic ideas I'd like them to learn are (from the other side of the fence):

    * that the man Jesus (whom there are Roman records recording the actual existence of, apparently, whatever the truth of his godliness or otherwise was) was a true hero because he was a pacifist. There was no record of his ever having struck another person, and he didn't fight back physically when others struck him. He healed people instead, recognising that often sadness of heart feels worse than physical pain.
    * that there is a God who loves them, no matter what they do or what's done to them. So many of my high school kids seem to think that there's something wrong with them or that they're responsible for their parents divorcing etc. Myth or not, it can be comforting in times of trial for kids to have a fall-back plan of talking to God. (Of course, I believe he answers, but that's another thread!)

    My own children go to the local Catholic school because we believe that your spirituality affects your whole life and all aspects of it. I have always recognised that belief is a choice for my students (including those in my RE group at present), I'm just presenting them with information to make an informed choice.

    Oh - and would I be upset if my children were given a handout about Jesus not being real? At their Catholic school, yes! But otherwise, I try to use times where different opinions surface in the media to have a discussion with my children about them and where DH and I stand on those issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsd View Post
    As to why RE is still taught in public schools - because Christianity in particular is an intrinsic part of our culture. You don't have to believe it or practise it but kids do have the right to understand the traditions behind Easter, Christmas, Valentine's day, St Patrick's day etc.
    Just to point out... Australia is a secular nation... there is no official religion.

    As a Pagan, I will make sure my kids learn about different religions.
    Including the fact that Pagans too celebrate Ostara (Easter), Yule (Christmas) and many other traditions that are not solely Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psylent View Post
    My mum had to correct my high school english teacher several times on her spelling. She would mark things incorrect, when they were not. It resulted in arguments, furious consulting of dictionaries, and then finally a grudging apology. Just sayin'.
    oh yes!! ...if my kids come home saying they've been taught that you spell the letter H - haitch... I'll be setting them straight

    ..but you know what I mean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purpz View Post
    Just to point out... Australia is a secular nation... there is no official religion.

    As a Pagan, I will make sure my kids learn about different religions.
    Including the fact that Pagans too celebrate Ostara (Easter), Yule (Christmas) and many other traditions that are not solely Christian.
    I agree!

    these can all be taught in cultural history.

    Why is it assmed that parents don't talk to their kids about these things?

    Easter - some say it's all about Jesus dying on the cross, some say it's about Eostre the goddess - a Pagan tradition....

    ..some really don't care for that and just wanna eat chocolate or buy their kids pyjamas!
    people actually have a right (Mrsd) to be FREE from religion.

    Do all people teach their kids about the Churches involvment when the Heliocentric theory was being discussed? I think (personally) that it is very important that we understand that the Earth revolves around the sun. - many of our traditions are based on seasons..and these seasons are a result of that.

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