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    What does passive discrimination even mean?

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    If I (hypothetically) decide not to hire someone because I don't like them, because I don't feel they will be a good culture fit, because they don't have the right qualification, because they smoke, because they support a different football team, because they didn't dress appropriately for the interview, because they have a facial piercing, etc. etc....

    I am actively discriminating against them on those traits.

    And I am allowed to.

    I'm baffled at the concept that an employer shouldn't be allowed to choose who they can or can't employ. We have laws in place to protect people from certain forms of discrimination, but the rest is up to the employer. And it should be. It is their company, and their money they are handing over.

    There is no such thing as 2 identical people. We will always choose between them based on a wide variety of factors, some of which are subjective.

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    I think it's great. I wish hospitals would put this on all their job adverts, then I wouldn't have to walk through a cloud of smoke every time I go to an appointment with my respiratory specialist or obstetrician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post
    What does passive discrimination even mean?
    Active discrimination would be to tell the person you are not hiring them because they smoke. Passive discrimination is to not hire them, tell them it was for something else when in fact it was because they smoke and you can't/don't want to tell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICanDream View Post
    Active discrimination would be to tell the person you are not hiring them because they smoke. Passive discrimination is to not hire them, tell them it was for something else when in fact it was because they smoke and you can't/don't want to tell them.
    I don't think anyone said they wouldn't tell the candidate why.

    But it may also not be the only deciding factor. I think it's rare that you have 2 (or more) people who are identical in every way, EXCEPT one smokes and one doesn't.

    It's more likely to be the case that smoking is an offputting factor, which may lead you to view that person's application/ character/ culture fit/ work ethic more negatively.

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    Icandream - is that your definition?

    BY that definition, there would be no such thing as active discrimination, because nobody would ever tell anyone I'm not hiring you because you're aboriginal, too old, whatever.

    Sorry, I'm not being picky.. I thought you muts have been makin ga pun on passive smoking..

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    True no one said they wouldn't tell but they also didn't say they would. I'm not critical of anyone's opinion, it's been interesting reading it.

    No, no pun on passive smoking. There is a difference between active and passive discrimination, maybe I'm not explaining it right. But yes, active discrimination isn't seen as much today as in the times before because society doesn't allow for it so readily, so I guess most of it is passive discrimination. Oh I've confused myself! No it wasn't my definition LOL I'm not creative enough to make things up, all I did was apply it to smoking rather than race or sex etc.
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    I only read the OP.

    IMO, employers should be able to have a criteria that they want their employees to meet in order to represent their company. Its just ballsy that this company choose to advertise it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opinionated View Post
    The hospital I was working at was "no smoking on hospital grounds". Most smokers could not get off hospital grounds, have a cigarette break and back to where they were working in their alloted morning tea break. I actually agree with employers only wanting to hire non-smokers. You also have to think that over winter, many smokers get more colds and illness which they not only need time off work for, but can pass along to their co-workers. Let's face the hard facts as well, smokers stink. I don't like smokers in close proximity to me so would prefer non-smoking hair dressers, nail technicians, doctors, nurses, waiting staff etc. Pretty much anyone I have to be within 1m of I want to be a non-smoker.
    I agree with this 100%.
    At my last job I was one of 3 managers that didn't smoke, 5 others did. And they took those breaks whenever they wanted. You're getting paid to work not to smoke. And they all stank, not something very nice when working with food.

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    I agree it does stink but you will never beable to police it!

    Employee's will just tick non smoker and wont smoke at work or where they will be seen!

    What will the company do blood test everyone to check levels lol


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