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    Does she tho? I didnt think failing was an option re attendance? Not going to placement is not attending and she will get a N/A on her certificate in that section

    She will hafto pay the money back

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiamondEyes View Post
    Does she tho? I didnt think failing was an option re attendance? Not going to placement is not attending and she will get a N/A on her certificate in that section

    She will hafto pay the money back
    Absolutely no idea. I assumed she knew more than me about it haha
    I guess she can take it again. It was a funded course for her so she didnt pay anything to attend. Its apparently just fulfilling her active job search criteria or something. I dunno much about it.

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    Ahh, i think if its a regular tafe course she decided to do, and it was funded by them, and she was getting paid austudy or newstart or whatever, and failed any section due to a non attempt or absence, boom, hafto pay it back.

    Not sure about those job skills/search courses tho.

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    I like how they think getting work is going to be just that easier for all these mothers returning to the work force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetseven View Post
    Note: There is always the possibility that my understanding was in error.
    Considering how many rules and changes to the rules there are and the fact that most of the employees at Centrelink seem to know any of them, I think one would have to be Einstein to figure it all out



    Diamond eyes, I think you are right. I think you actually have to make the effort or you incur a debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilahh View Post
    I think it's great. We have a society that will allow mother's to stay home with their youngest till they turn 8, and then they are expected to return to work to help pay the tax to support other mothers to do the same. I think it is ludicrous to expect the Government to support mothers to stay at home for 18 years (per child). Society depends on everyone contributing and paying tax. Staying at home when there are no children at home during school hours is not a priority. There are better things the Government needs to spend money on. Something has to give in a budget, and paying mothers to be at home- when their children are at schoool- is a waste of money.
    Its actually more about the fact that we will lose money that we need to pay rent, food, elec, water, clothing.
    Not because we feel we should be able to stay home for 18 years!!

    Im a single mum of 2, i work & i recieve benifits, if i you were to take those away from me
    - i would lose the house i rent for $700 a fortnight
    - i wouldnt be able to afford the $130 grocery bill
    -no $70 on petrol to get to work
    - no $127 every 3 months for gas for hot showers. & stove use
    - no $100 every 3 months for electricity
    - no $200 every 8 months for water bill
    - no school branded uniforms
    - no $60 a month on mobile payments - the only phone i have
    - no school excursions
    And thats just the start of a long list

    I already have a job but due to lack of childcare spots & before & after school spots and then the over all cost of childcare i cant work anymore then 2 days a week due to no spots and only 3 days a week due to kindy n schoolcare eating all my earnings

    Not to mention childcare only picks up from certain schools so u may get a spot but they wont pick up and drop off to your childs school

    And if you have problems grt into the kindy room like i do - if you found a spot at another kindy out of your suburb and still have no before school care & your childs school starts at 8:30 how do we then get your child into kindy then race back what could be a 30 min drive to ur other childs school for a 8:30 start and then take a 30 min drive to b at work at 9 on the dot so you dont get fired?

    And then how many jobs would allow for you to leave at 1:30- 2pm on the dot (traffic dependent) so u can drive 30 mins to your childs school that finishes at 2:30....

    Its unrealistic!!
    That leaves me 2 days of work and only able to work 4 and a half hrs each day

    Government assistance means my kids are feed clothed and can have a hot shower and not get up st 4:30-5 am just to get to school

    It does not mean i get to be paid to stay at home for 8 yrs or 18.

    I still have to work regardless because centrelink benifits alone would only cover food & rent and sbsolutely nothing else!!

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    I am feeling a little more enlightened
    So the main issue seems to be parents wages will no longer be subsidized? At all? Or at a lower rate (the new start rate)?
    If this is the case then I agree.... A working parent earning low wages should b subsidized more than a single person.... Obviously the living costs of a parent are more!
    My issue was with parents who chose not to work while their children are in school. In my opinion this should not b a choice.

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    Can someone enlighten me - isn't this change just for the people who were previously under the grandfather (is that what it's called - Ana?) system of payments?

    Wasn't this cutoff already in place for the majority of people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ana Gram View Post
    For single parents? No, that cuts out at 8. I read it as the welfare for single parents as that is usually what these conversations end up about.

    Do you mean the grandfathered PPS was till age 18?
    As far as I know - it changed around 2000 (I think) because I remember it changed after my step children were born.

    The grandfathered system was put into place at the time - meaning that people under the old system were given a longer period to adjust, put plans in place to get ready for the shift to newstart.

    As far as I understand, what they've done here, is drop anyone who was previously under the grandfathered payment system from it - that is the change.

    Again - I could be wrong. It's obvious that the CL system isn't clear to understand for anybody

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    The other thing those bumped off SPP onto Newstart will lose is their pension card. This will cost them other discounts such as:
    * discount on phone bill
    * discount on electricity bill (includes no ambulance subscription fee in Queensland)
    * discount on car registration
    * concession rates on public transport
    * numerous private discounts offered to pensioners (though more of these are being limited to aged pensioners only)
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