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    This is why A2 milk is so popular now ( and what we cook with!) as the A2 protein is easier to digest
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    So, are they two possibilities, can you be either lactose intolerant or cow's milk protein intolerant?

    Are the symptoms of lactose intolerance more likely to be upset tummy and bloating, and CMPI to be eczema?

    Thanks for all these replies. It really us another world having a little one with eczema. There's so much to learn and I really appreciate all you hubbers replying

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    The yoghurt and cheese making process denatures or denudes or partially digests the protein strings and starts to break them down.

    The protein strings in cows milk are long - think about a long piece of elastic or a long DNA string like what you see on tv. The process that turns milk into yoghurt and cheese breaks down the strings and makes them easier to digest.

    It is possible to be lactose intolerant and also be CMPI.

    My kids have CMPI but as they grew older could manage real yoghurt (not that stupid kids flavored custard milk globby stuff) like Jalna or pot set yoghurt and could manage real cheese (not that horrible plastic stuff)

    The symptoms can be similar - bloating, diarrhea etc - excess isn't normally linked to CMPI but all things are possible
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    My brother was unable to have even trace amounts of animal milk his entire life, no cheese, yoghurt, not even things containing small amounts of milk solids. I'm lactose intolerant but can have small amounts, dd can't handle the protein but at 8 is not affected if she accidentally has small amounts whereas a year ago she would be badly affected by it.
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    DD2 is CMPI and her first symtoms for small exposures are excema and weird spots. Say cheese one day might give her some small spots or small excema spots without it bothering her too much. If she has cheese again the following day it will get worse and she will probably complain of a of a bit of a tummy ache. But anything more and she will get a really sore tummy and vomiting depending on what it was and how much it was.

    We were told to trial things and see how we go and its just a case of trial and error. The Dr said she may be able to tolerate cheese and yogurt and she may not. That's where we were told to start. If we thought she went ok then we had to just use our judgment to work out exactly how much her body can tolerate. Some can, some can't and some can tolerate it but say every few days. DD2 can't handle yogurt at all and only just small amounts of cheese every few days at the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannielle View Post
    DD2 is CMPI and her first symtoms for small exposures are excema and weird spots. Say cheese one day might give her some small spots or small excema spots without it bothering her too much. If she has cheese again the following day it will get worse and she will probably complain of a of a bit of a tummy ache. But anything more and she will get a really sore tummy and vomiting depending on what it was and how much it was.

    We were told to trial things and see how we go and its just a case of trial and error. The Dr said she may be able to tolerate cheese and yogurt and she may not. That's where we were told to start. If we thought she went ok then we had to just use our judgment to work out exactly how much her body can tolerate. Some can, some can't and some can tolerate it but say every few days. DD2 can't handle yogurt at all and only just small amounts of cheese every few days at the most.

    Did your specialist advise you that CMPI has an accumulative effect and also the but can take up to 14 days to right itself after eating trigger foods?

    We were originally told to only trial foods about every three months.

    Also my DS was intolerant to wheat and soy - is your LO intolerant to other foods too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkingClassMum View Post
    Did your specialist advise you that CMPI has an accumulative effect and also the but can take up to 14 days to right itself after eating trigger foods?

    We were originally told to only trial foods about every three months.

    Also my DS was intolerant to wheat and soy - is your LO intolerant to other foods too?
    Yes, she did say it has an accumlative effect and that it would take a while to come out of her system.

    When she was little we were told to do small trials every 3 mths but we don't do trials now. We have just worked out what she can handle in the past few years and left it at that. (She's 8.5yrs now)

    She really likes cheese and will have the odd piece and is ok with it as long as she doesn't have it too often. She can't tolerate it as a regular thing though. She might for example have some Monday, then again Thursday, then again Sunday etc. Then at the first sign of any problems with it she wont have any more for 2-3 weeks. If she has some 2 days in a row then we would normally see excema/spots. She was throwing up every day for quite a while a few years ago and had excema. We knew we hadn't given her anything and our Dr couldn't explain it and we discovered she had been stealing cheese and putting it in her lunch box for school.

    Specialist seemed to think it was unlikely that DD2 would grow out of it when we last saw her and said to just see how we go. And she said to avoid it for at least 2 weeks preferably 3 weeks when we see reactions. But I guess that's because she is older and it is pressumed she will always be CMPI and it's a case of working out her limit without it effecting her.

    We haven't tried yogurt in a year. Last time left her with bad tummy pains and a vomit. She insisted on eating a piece of a friends birthday cake (ice cream) 2 yrs ago and I probably shouldn't have let her but she was being stubborn and it was a party LOL. She ate it but said she didn't like it much anyway and said it tasted a bit funny and her ice cream tastes much nicer. She was really sick that night. I doubt she would trial them even if we wanted to now.

    No problems with wheat as far as we know and LOVES soy with no problems at all. The only thing she's not that keen on is soy cheese. She likes it a bit but prefers real cheese.

    No other intolerances that we know of but she's allergic to unknown colours/flavours found in lollies but thats different. (First exposure was 1 jelly baby & 20+ hives and throat swelling and thankfully claratyne worked. Dr said it will most likely lead to anaphylaxis if she is continually exposed.)
    DD1: 13yrs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dannielle View Post
    Yes, she did say it has an accumlative effect and that it would take a while to come out of her system.

    When she was little we were told to do small trials every 3 mths but we don't do trials now. We have just worked out what she can handle in the past few years and left it at that. (She's 8.5yrs now)

    DS is 11, DD is 8 and neither can tolerate straight milk, but are both now okayish with cheese n yoghurt and occasionally ice cream - cream is iffy too - they both suffer bloat etc when they indulge

    We also gave up trials a few years ago and just muddle along when the opportunity arises.
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