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    Bigger seats are available in premium economy/ upgraded sections.

    If, as Sassy suggests, we all pay a little extra for each cabin to have a couple of larger seats for people who need them, then how would this allocation be decided? Would it be first come first served? Or would need be prioritised? E.g., would pregnancy trump obese, or would 180kg trump 170kg?

    If it's first come first served then there would still be the potential problem for larger passengers to end up in smaller seats, and therefore encroaching on other passengers - who may then be put out to find that they have paid $20 extra for someone else's seat, only to find that they still have a larger passenger who is taking up some of their space.

    So do we then say that if there are those extra larger seats (that we are all paying extra for), then larger passengers are no longer allowed to travel in a seat that they do not fit properly?

    Or do we say that larger passengers will need to pay for premium economy (or higher), or not travel at all (if they cannot fit into an economy seat)?

    I'm not trying to pick holes in your suggestions, but it just seems like a very difficult thing to work out.

    Another factor to bear in mind is that some of these problems (not fitting in to the seats) are more likely to be a problem for some races more so than others. It is likely to be a rarer problem for some of the Asian airlines (for example) than, say, the American carriers. (Just to pick a couple at random, where average body sizes tend to be different on a racial basis).

    I guess my point is that it seems to be asking a lot of all airlines to make big (potentially costly) changes for a problem that is not the 'norm', and even less so for different demographics of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowSky View Post
    Then you should be fine.



    I think that if you cannot keep within the boundaries of your own seat, then yes, you should pay for another seat, no matter what the reason is. Be it due to obesity, pregnancy, needing medical equipment beside you, whatever.

    Kids are a different thread altogether! I think that if you are travelling domestically on a short (under 2 hours) flight with a small baby that you can comfortably nurse on your lap for the duration of your flight and you both fit within the limits of your seat, then only paying for one seat is fine. If your baby or child is old enough to move around, jump around, squirm and launch themselves at their seat-mate...then you should also be made to pay for a separate seat.

    On longer flights (over 2 hours) then IMO, you should be made to pay for 2 seats. Airline seats are just too small to house a parent and child without encroaching on your seat-mates and airlines do reduce the price of the fare for children.
    But kids under 2 are not allowed to sit by themselves during take off landing and turbulence. I flew last year Singapore to bris and spent 7 out of the 8 hr flight with DD on my lap cos of turbulence. It wasn't fun for me or her or the guy next to me.

    What should airlines and parents do then? Luckily she was 6mths old but when I flew to melb a month ago - 19mths - se prob. Turbulence the whole flight. What then?

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    I agree with those who say larger people need to think about this and plan ahead.
    The man on the plane in the OP was awful. There is a thing called tact. I've flown a lot in my life and have asked to be moved because of an obese lady sitting next to me. I did it quietly to the hostess and didn't make a fuss. I've also asked to move because of a large man with the worst body odour!!

    Honestly though, I don't think it matters if you're flying 1 hour or 14 hours, flying is often uncomfortable and being squished in your seat just makes it worse. It sounds awful but I wouldn't put up with it for a short or long haul flight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl X View Post
    I think that's a good idea that SassyMummy had. Perhaps if there were larger seats available, with a higher price associated (a bit more than economy, but less than premium economy) then that would help. But, having said that, for the airlines to continue to make the same profit levels then the premium would have to be relatively high - in which case it kind of makes it the same as paying for premium economy.

    I'm not sure what the right answer is. I agree that economy seats are cramped. I'm 170cm tall and average weight, and I feel cramped in them. Having said that, airlines run as businesses, and they are all able to run a successful model based on the current seat sizes.

    I don't think it's fair for someone to have their seat encroached upon by someone else (for whatever reason). I realise that this leaves larger people in the situation where they may have to pay for an upgraded (and therefore larger) seat - which they may not be able to do.

    If airlines made all seats larger then they would lose profits, unless they increased ticket prices. And if one airline did it then they may lose out to a rival who is able to achieve a larger market share, so it would almost have to be done unilaterally by all of the major airlines - which is unlikely.

    My current thinking is that if you are unable to fit into an economy sized seat then you should (if possible) upgrade. If you are not able to afford to do so, then I appreciate that leaves you in a horrid position, but to take up someone else's seat too doesn't seem like a fair thing to do.

    I do think that airlines have to cater for an average build. Let's face it, for most of us it's not very comfortable in economy, but I think that those for whom it is impossible (without taking up someone else's seat too) are in the minority, and I think that there will always be people in that situation - regardless of how much wider an airline makes its seats.

    I'm not trying to come across as unsympathetic here, and I realise it might seem that way. I guess, to put it very clumsily, I'm trying to say that an airline has to draw a line 'somewhere' and there will always be those who fit outside of those lines.
    Wouldn't you feel just as discriminated against being made to pay more for a larger economy seat or first class? You're saying it's okay to charge more because people are bigger, that is not what sassy said at all. She said it would be good if they had larger seats to accommodate there was no mention of paying more. What if you're a pregnant lady who's very large? Should she be discriminated against and made to pay more for a larger seat? I don't think so.. Just my opinion

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    I think the behaviour of the man complaining is disgusting, there are better, more discreet ways to deal with it. But I have experienced this myself. I do think that if you take up more than one seat you should have to pay at least 50% of another fare. Nothing to do with being overweight, but oversized. I had a man so large sit next to me on a Qantas flight in 2009 that he needed the largest seatbelt extender, his shoulder/left arm covered half my body under his armpit and the air stewards weren't able to get the trolley down the aisle. Needless to say I was disgusted! I asked politely to be moved and was willing to be separated from DH, only to be told it was a full flight. 20 mins into the flight when they realised they couldn't get the trolley passed he was moved to business class. Although, we have to remember that at the end of the day, it is public transport. I pay for a seat on the bus I don't always get.

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    Using a different example to compare the favourable treatment of the large over the disabled who use wheelchairs again, to help put things into perspective and move away from the "but I'm entitled" mentality:
    Unless it has been repealed due to outrage, wheelchair users (as well facing restrictions on the number who can board a flight) must pay for a companion ticket whether or not they are independent in their everyday lives. This incurs not just the expense of an additional seat - but they have to find someone with the spare time to travel with them, and possibly also pay motel expenses etc.

    So there is already precedent for both restricting numbers of certain groups of people on a flight AND making them pay double to be one of the lucky ones.
    So saying "but we can't implement that, it's discriminatory" is pointless, because it already happens.

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    Many airlines charge obese people for two seats which I think they should if they are taking up extra room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allymumtobe View Post
    Fair enough but if a flight was full should an over weight person have to pay sometimes 100's more for a "first class" seat that is wider? The airlines need to be realistic about the size of modern people in general the population on earth now are taller and bigger than we were 50 years ago even they need realistic seating even the plastic chairs in the terminals are wider than an airline seat
    I think they should or be booked for 2 seats if the airlines made all the seats bigger then the cost of flying would be raised because they would not be able to fit as many people in a flight so those who can fit will be punished for those who can not and take up two seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by louellyn View Post
    Putting me at the back of the plane...so reminiscent of being forced to the back of the bus for being African American or Aboriginal.
    Oh FFS! I suggested the back of the plane so that larger ppl wouldn't have to feel the stares of the 'skinny' ppl on the plane, so that they are closer to the bathroom and don't have to try and squeeze up and down the isle to get there.

    I am an obese woman, and these are things that would make me feel more comfortable. It has nothing to do with discriminating against obese ppl, and frankly I'm pretty offended that you suggest the 'discrimination' of obese ppl could be comparable to racial discrimination.

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    Last time i flew was in the floods. Should we have been made to pay for 3 seats on a plane instead that was extremely overpriced? Would of been 4 seats on the helicoptor if those were the rules some of you are going by.

    Should the same rules apply for trains and buses as well? I am sitting on an empty bus right now and i go over the one seat, a little bit on the second seat.

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