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    I think the man who made a song and dance on your flight was def in the wrong, he could have handled the matter in a much diff way without embarrassing the obese man or causing a scene BUT (always a but!)

    If I paid the same price for my seat the last thing I want is an obese person spilling half into my seat!!!!!

    I do agree that people who are too big need to pay for two seats!

    I don't think it's a fair argument to say 'that's the way the world is heading the airlines should provide 'obese' seating' because we all know they are in it to make $ and if they accommodated larger seats it would mean less passengers and ultimately less $$.

    I really don't know how we tackle 'the obesity crisis' as ads and info on eating healthy, exercising, lifestyle choices are all already everywhere!!! Some people just will never 'get it' and even if they are given all the info under the sun they have to want to change!!

    If we accommodate them with things like large seats to me it's condoning it, wheres the motivation to lose weight if you can just book a bigger seat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allymumtobe View Post
    Ding ding ding correct

    It's discrimination. Considering regardless Of size you can't fly your car across the sea so you can't say things like obese people shouldn't fly! You can't rent a private jet either! Pay for two seats!? So if an obese person cannot afford a second seat they deserve to miss out on overseas destinations? Or what of they were traveling to get to a sick relative?

    I fully believe airlines have a responsibility to their passengers!

    And maybe I'm getting a little angry so I'll shut up
    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMummy View Post
    You know, I honestly do not believe that larger people should have to pay for 2 seats. They rarely take up two entire seats anyway, and how can you comfortably sit in 2 seats anyway?

    TBH, I'd rather there be larger seats and we ALL pay for higher ticket prices to accommodate that (becuase bigger seats means less seats). I'd be happy to pay more for my ticket if it meant that all people are treated with respect and kindness. I've never needed a seatbelt extension and certainly do not now either, so this isn't just because I'm some big fatty hogging up 2 seats and feeling all hard done by due to whinging skinny people or anything...

    Forcing obese people to pay for 2 seats is, IMO, pretty much telling obese people to not travel anywhere unless they're really rich. What a way to make a person who perhaps has mental health issues (because let's face it, how many obese people would there be WITHOUT some sort of depression or similar?) feel even more down and disliked by the general public.

    Nobody wants to end up squashed, I get that. Nobody also wants to hear a screaming baby. Or deal with some twit moving their chair back and forth during meal times. Or have some idiot kick their chair half the flight. Or be sat next to someone who falls asleep and snores. Etc etc. It's the price you pay when you travel unfortunately... and we can't just force people to pay double the price just because they may be annoying to others.

    Bigger seats, making prices higher to accommodate this (it wouldn't likely be a massive price increase - especially if not all seats were made larger) sounds a lot more fair and respectful to all IMO.
    I see both of your points but I'll use my former example again. I have a chronic illness and pay through the roof for travel insurance coverage. As in, hundreds more. I went overseas recently and it was over 4 times the cost of the premium for my travelling family without a pre-existing illness.

    Am I entitled to cry "Discrimination!" and be outraged by it? Should I be angry at how unfair it is that unless an ill person is rich, they cannot travel? Would you be happy for all insurance companies to put up the prices of their policies so as to spread it out amongst everyone, rather than charging individual people more?

    What about other forms of insurance? Health, car, house? What about admission prices to theme parks or museums or whatever? Is it fair that I pay more than a child?? I mean, it's not MY fault that I'm an adult now and so what, unless I am rich, I can't go to a theme park because I am charged more for something that is not my fault? I realise that theme park example is going to the extreme but it's the same premise IMO. I could continue but I think you get the idea.

    All sorts of people are charged varied amounts for different things according to their individual circumstances. Not everyone will think it's fair and you know what? It's often not! But what are the alternatives? Everyone pays more for everything to spread it out is going to hardly be an accepted alternative and is that not discrimination to everyone else?

    As I said, I can see your point but paying more for another airline seat when you don't fit into one is hardly discrimination. Discrimination would be refusing to allow that person to fly at all.

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    I can't be arsed reading this whole thread cause of stuff I have seen.. Mostly "If you are a large person you know you need a Bigger seat/second seat/be proactive about making yourself fit into a normal seat"

    I am Fat. there's no sugar coating it (cause as Dr Phil says I will eat that too) I have lost 25 kilos recently and am finding the motivation to get back to losing weight hard, but I try one day a week and keep myself pretty stable ATM maybe loosing 500gm overall a week.

    Anyway DH Recently told me I could spend money fling up to see Bestie for my birthday. I have never been on a plane before. I asked Besite & DH who have both been on planes in the last 6 years "what are the seat/seat belts like. Bestie said she could fit in the seat ok, a little squished but didn't feel she encroached on the seat next to her & used the standard Seat belt. DH on the other hand said he always got given window seats, rarely given a seat nest to someone and said he chose to have an extender for the Seat belt for his personal comfort.

    Where did this leave me with choosing a seat? I have chosen an Aisle seat on the way up in case my Knee plays up, and a window seat on the way back cause DH thinks I should I have that experience. I had wanted the one with extended leg room cause of my knee, but didn't cause it would have been $30 wasted per a flight if they deemed me unfit (I tore a ligament Oct last year and if I don't move my knee for 5 minutes ever 30 mins or so it can seize but is getting better with time, It's only having it cramped and immobile that would cause me to have issues with it)

    I tried to find out from the company how wide their seat was and how long their standard belt was I actually found it it was similar to sitting in my mother's Scooter- That's a pretty average seat & belt size to me and I fit in it well but still went for normal seating.

    So NO Just cause you are Fat/overweight/obese/morbidly obese You DON'T Know that you will need different/special seating. I have done everything I can to find out if I need special seating bar going into an airport and asking to sit in a seat to find out. Frankly I find it Rude that people just Assume that I Know something when I have No way of EVER finding it out before getting on the plane.

    I will also add I put up a thread here asking the questions and those who were of similar size said don't worry you will be fine you won't need extender etc. Those who I will assume are Smaller Seemed to be paying out on me for wanting the extra leg room if I wasn't healthy (Again my Knee).

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    But they don't accommodate the 'average' person. It seems like a revenue generating ploy saying 'you don't fit our unreasonable size expectations, so pay more'.

    I feel I'm average height, most of the men I know are my height or taller, I'm the shortest in my family... I don't fit in a seat, I'm sure they find it even harder.

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    I haven't been in a seat recently, but while I bet I could fit, I'm not sure I could fit comfortably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barefooted View Post
    I can't be arsed reading this whole thread cause of stuff I have seen.. Mostly "If you are a large person you know you need a Bigger seat/second seat/be proactive about making yourself fit into a normal seat"

    I am Fat. there's no sugar coating it (cause as Dr Phil says I will eat that too) I have lost 25 kilos recently and am finding the motivation to get back to losing weight hard, but I try one day a week and keep myself pretty stable ATM maybe loosing 500gm overall a week.

    Anyway DH Recently told me I could spend money fling up to see Bestie for my birthday. I have never been on a plane before. I asked Besite & DH who have both been on planes in the last 6 years "what are the seat/seat belts like. Bestie said she could fit in the seat ok, a little squished but didn't feel she encroached on the seat next to her & used the standard Seat belt. DH on the other hand said he always got given window seats, rarely given a seat nest to someone and said he chose to have an extender for the Seat belt for his personal comfort.

    Where did this leave me with choosing a seat? I have chosen an Aisle seat on the way up in case my Knee plays up, and a window seat on the way back cause DH thinks I should I have that experience. I had wanted the one with extended leg room cause of my knee, but didn't cause it would have been $30 wasted per a flight if they deemed me unfit (I tore a ligament Oct last year and if I don't move my knee for 5 minutes ever 30 mins or so it can seize but is getting better with time, It's only having it cramped and immobile that would cause me to have issues with it)

    I tried to find out from the company how wide their seat was and how long their standard belt was I actually found it it was similar to sitting in my mother's Scooter- That's a pretty average seat & belt size to me and I fit in it well but still went for normal seating.

    So NO Just cause you are Fat/overweight/obese/morbidly obese You DON'T Know that you will need different/special seating. I have done everything I can to find out if I need special seating bar going into an airport and asking to sit in a seat to find out. Frankly I find it Rude that people just Assume that I Know something when I have No way of EVER finding it out before getting on the plane.

    I will also add I put up a thread here asking the questions and those who were of similar size said don't worry you will be fine you won't need extender etc. Those who I will assume are Smaller Seemed to be paying out on me for wanting the extra leg room if I wasn't healthy (Again my Knee).
    I certainly am not saying that people need to be proactive about losing weight to fit into a airplane seat. I am a big girl too, a size 18ish. I never assume it to be someone's fault that they are larger. I know myself, I went from a size 12 to an 18 purely due to prednisone and being housebound for quite long periods of time due to illness and have really struggled with it.

    I fly regularly and I fit absolutely fine in an airplane seat. To give you an idea, I think you would need to be around a size 22 and above to start having difficulty. The lady I sat next to, which I posted about earlier was probably a size 26 or above.

    If you are a really big person (trying desperately not to offend), I think you would have an idea that you won't be able to fit into a single airplane seat. If you have trouble with seats in movie theatres or cafes, you will have trouble on a plane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowSky View Post
    I certainly am not saying that people need to be proactive about losing weight to fit into a airplane seat. I am a big girl too, a size 18ish. I never assume it to be someone's fault that they are larger. I know myself, I went from a size 12 to an 18 purely due to prednisone and being housebound for quite long periods of time due to illness and have really struggled with it.

    I fly regularly and I fit absolutely fine in an airplane seat. To give you an idea, I think you would need to be around a size 22 and above to start having difficulty. The lady I sat next to, which I posted about earlier was probably a size 26 or above.

    If you are a really big person (trying desperately not to offend), I think you would have an idea that you won't be able to fit into a single airplane seat. If you have trouble with seats in movie theatres or cafes, you will have trouble on a plane.
    I am a size 26 because of my Bust & Height. I have no trouble with cinema seats. my Husband and Bestie are both of similar size

    Again Everything i have discussed tells me I won't have trouble. Besides it's not like an extra seat will actually do anything for me. The arms are still there.

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    Do pregnant women pay more if the have trouble fitting in their seat? When UTD my butt and thighs get their own postcode and whilst I fit in the seat (not virgin but jetstar and qantas) I know my DH is not comfortable next to me.

    Just curious as to what other ppl think? Or parents that fly with their kids on their laps that don't sit still very well?

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    Also I did travel on a Train about 2 years ago and I found that seat no trouble at all. I would say I was probably the same weight then I was before losing weight, so now I have lost a fair few cms and feel I should fit on the plane no worries.

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    I agree that the man in the OP behaved rudely.
    But I also think that if you want to use more than one seat you should pay for more than one seat.

    Air travel isn't suitable for everyone. Perhaps rather than making everybody pay for more of a seat (as suggested by a few PP), airlines should implement rules similar to those for wheelchairs. Only 2 obese people permitted per flight.

    I don't actually think such a restriction should be in place for people who are obese, and I think it should be removed for people who use wheelchairs, but as I said, air travel as it stands simply isn't suitable for everyone.

    If the seats don't suit, stop flying. If enough people support you then market forces will either make the company choose to fold, or choose to meet consumer demand.


 

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