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    I am in two minds. I would never advocate limiting reproduction or forced sterilisation, ever.

    However, in some of my previous units for uni, during my research, things like global food security has scared the beejeezus out of me and has made me want to run around the streets with a bell and placard with 'The End Is Near' on it. From a sustainability and environmental perspective, having a busload of children is not fantastic.

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    I think anybody who would like to prescribe a maximum should also consider what it would be like to be prescribed a minimum. If we allow people to go around saying that a certain number is too many, then we also need to allow people to say that a certain number is not enough. Which is clearly ridiculous.

    Best to leave personal choices personal.

    ETA There's plenty of food in the world, a heart-breaking amount of perfectly good food is destroyed every year because it doesn't meet market requirements. It's the distribution of resources that's out of whack, and having less children won't fix that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gentoo View Post
    So far, all the comments on this thread seem to be centred on how many children you can financially afford and how many you can give attention to. But what about the implications on the environment?

    Every extra person uses up extra resources. And in a closed system like the earth that means that we're taking away resources from other species (and pretty efficiently driving them into extinction) and are eventually going to hit a wall ourselves. It's a basic tenet of population ecology - you can't have infinite growth without infinite resources.

    So, on that basis I think the responsible thing to do is not to have children at above the replacement rate. (Yes, I realise that sometimes people have unexpected pregnancies and multiple births, but overall we should aim to stabilise our population, not grow it). There's no way that I'd advocate forced abortions or sterilisation, but I certainly think it's important that people think about the wider picture (and their global impact) when they're deciding on family size.
    I agree with this.

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    Assuming that you have the means to provide for said amount of kids you wish to have in both financial and emotional capacities then I don't believe there should be a limit.

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    I think we're really privilidged to live in a country where we're paid an incentive to have children. Some countries aren't so lucky - places like India are just extremely overpopulated, we probably can't even imagine problems like an extreme lack of housing, lack of sanitation, lack of food etc here in times like now.

    It's easy for us to discuss this and say nobody should ever have restrictions (I do agree that it would be ridiculous here as we don't have an issue as we're not even replacing ourselves) but some countries have no choice. They can either breed themselves into starvation and homelessness or make a sacrifice and only have one or no children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    It's easy for us to discuss this and say nobody should ever have restrictions (I do agree that it would be ridiculous here as we don't have an issue as we're not even replacing ourselves) but some countries have no choice. They can either breed themselves into starvation and homelessness or make a sacrifice and only have one or no children.
    Absolutely. My post was only in reference to those who would prescribe a limit here in Australia.

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    I personally could only cope with 3, unless they were spread out. If someone else can cope with 23, good on them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambjam View Post
    Absolutely. My post was only in reference to those who would prescribe a limit here in Australia.
    Totally agree with your points, 100%. Often issues with food are a result of unfair distribution (look at how many of us are suffering obesity!)

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    I don't think there should be a limit. However many kids you can love and afford I guess

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    I don't think a limit should be legislated.

    I sometimes wonder how it is possible to give large numbers of children the individual love and attention they need and, in those circumstances, I sometimes wonder if 'something has to give' in that regard. However, there may be families with 1 child who (for whatever reason) are not able to provide that either.

    Having not been in that situation I am just speculating, and if someone else believes that they could provide a high degree of individual care and attention for large numbers of kids then I would not want to prevent them from doing so.


 

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