I guess I understand giving vouchers but I just dont see it as a solve. Drunken parents are not going to sober up and go shopping..
But then some will.
I hate the idea of any neglected child HATE HATE HATE it. I wish there was a solution.
Big hugs to you GC
i dont support blanket income quarantine at all!
if i were on benefits and given vouchers we would suffer, as we spend our money at local markets, and grow then barter a lot of our food.
The oldies can look after themselves right? I can earn better money in a supermarket?
Wasnt directed at you either my wifey. Just commenting.
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Hasn't it been proven enough that the basics card isn't working?
Education and assistance is the key, not punishment, control and humiliation. If people are uneducated enough and addicted enough to a substance and you take away their money. Guess what? It will be people like YOU (general you) whose homes are broken into because people have become so desperate they have resorted to stealing.
The very vast majority of welfare recipients budget just fine, exceptionally well actually, with their pittance they receive. Guess what, there ARE wealthy and middle class people out there who are addicts. Who abuse and neglect and don't feed their children. Give them all the food stamps in the world, it won't stop suffering.
As for the 'taxpayers money is my money' attitude! i find it sickening. Absolutely disgusting. I pay tax. My DP pays a significant amount of tax. Neither of us could ever imagine this meaning that we have a say or should control somebody else's finances.
Perhaps employers should start paying in food stamps in case their employees are addicted to alcohol or gambling because mental health services won't help apparantly, just punishments
Last edited by Benji; 12-04-2012 at 20:51.
Its funny how this topic has turned from how many kids you should have, to how people on benefits spend their pensions...
I don't think you can quarantine anyone's government income, as mentioned before, child abuse does not just affect the poor.
I think people just get angry because most people know a few mothers/parents who are on benefits and usually have lots of kids and are neglected. For example, i was just down at my local shops and saw this woman i see there quite often, she looked like she had already had a few drinks and was at the IGA buying cask wine, and her four kids were sitting outside in shorts and t shirts (its freezing, about 5 degrees) and i know she walks them back home again in the cold. One is a little baby about 6 months in a pram who should be tucked up at home in bed. Would i like to see someone one like this have their income restricted so they had to spend it on food for the kids and warm coats for them? Probably, yes. But how do you determine who you should target?
All people on benefits shouldn't be made to suffer because of a few. However, i don't really think its about people feeling "superior" at all. I know a lot of families with 4 or 5 kids to drug/alcohol addicted parents and i know for a fact those kids are completely neglected or get taken off them. It breaks my heart, and i might sound harsh saying it, but i don't think they should keep having child after child they don't look after. Sometimes it's just hard to watch child neglect right in front of you, it's not an easy problem to fix and isn't just a result of large families. A family of one child can be just as easily abused as 5.
Yes, we should ensure no boys have the ability to procreate until they have proven themselves to be good father material. Snip snip.
Then we should limit it to 2 children per couple.
If that doesn't work, we can always force women to have terminations.
If that doesn't work we can steal children and give them to wealthy infertile people.
I dont support the a restriction on the number of kids, but on the other hand l think the government should not increase some of the government benefits people receive just because they choose to have more children. E.g. no increased government support beyond having two kids....
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