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    Quote Originally Posted by babyla View Post
    Although I think lots of people knowingly don't do the right thing, it doesn't mean their child should suffer.
    No it's not the child's fault. The parents made the waitinglist longer by doing the wrong thing, but by no means should their children be denied help.

    Again, the whle world needs to have a limit set. I agree with Gentoo as we just can't keep going like this in the world. Look at how much petl has gone up in the last few years??

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    I dont know, I don't think we have enough resources to support everyone having a dozen kids but I wouldn't agree with any methods of enforcing any kind of restriction.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToughLove View Post
    No, but I think it would be easier to control why people have children, if you get me.

    Limit the amount of parenting payment you get if you're under, say, 20. Cut the baby bonus in half for teenage parents under 18 and don't ever make it a lump sum again. Even better, give out Safeway coupons instead, cannot be traded for cigarettes or alcohol.
    And I definitely don't agree with disadvantaging the alreay disadvantaged based on the fact they are disadvantaged! The only ppl that suffer then are the children

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToughLove View Post
    No, but I think it would be easier to control why people have children, if you get me.

    Limit the amount of parenting payment you get if you're under, say, 20. Cut the baby bonus in half for teenage parents under 18 and don't ever make it a lump sum again. Even better, give out Safeway coupons instead, cannot be traded for cigarettes or alcohol.
    Why give less resources to the people who already have the least available to them? That would leave both the teen parent and their child more disadvantage and probably living in poverty.

    And for what it's worth vouchers would be pointless. If a person who preferred to spend their money on cigarettes and alcohol, really wanted cigarettes and alcohol they would probably sell the voucher to get the cash...

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    I dont believe in restricting how many children people have, I think that is scary

    But for environmental reasons, I think that we shouldnt have more than 2 or 3 kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Lovegood View Post

    And for what it's worth vouchers would be pointless. If a person who preferred to spend their money on cigarettes and alcohol, really wanted cigarettes and alcohol they would probably sell the voucher to get the cash...
    That's what some of my cousins do back in England.They sell their food vouchers, then make the kids live on toast for the month. They also sell their free tins of formula after their babies are over 6 months old, start them completely on cows milk, just so they can buy their fags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GothChick View Post
    That's what some of my cousins do back in England.They sell their food vouchers, then make the kids live on toast for the month. They also sell their free tins of formula after their babies are over 6 months old, start them completely on cows milk, just so they can buy their fags.
    That's sad. But when people have that mindset there is really nothing that can be done, because there always a way.

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    i dont support blanket income quarantine at all!
    if i were on benefits and given vouchers we would suffer, as we spend our money at local markets, and grow then barter a lot of our food.

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    I don't like food vouchers. Yick. They're basically advertising and more profit for major chains, leaving the little guys behind.

    I believe if someone wants to neglect their children for other things (drugs, alcohol, whatever) where there's a will there's a way. If they are given food vouchers, perhaps they will simply spend their mortgage/rent money on their addiction of choice?

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    Could they attach a name to the voucher and the person cashing it in show ID?

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    I am probably in the minority here, again, but I also think that that food vouchers are a great idea. It may not work for everyone, perhaps it should only to apply to 'at risk' families, but it is a way of ensuring so far as is possible that the government benefits are going where they're meant to be going - into food, clothing and blankets etc for children.

    There is a system in the Kimberley (and maybe in the NT as part of the intervention, I'm not too sure) where there is a thing called a 'basics card'. You can use the card at a number of shops to buy whatever you want, just not grog, smokes etc. You can't use it to take money out either. I'm sure, if the person was determined, they might be able to buy something and then swap it but it would be much harder than simply being handed the cash.

    It's not just for those on child protection income management, but some people with mental illnesses who are particularly vulnerable to influences (friends and reles taking their money on pension day).


 

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