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    I dont like the idea of threatening a child with anything. I hear people say, 'the policeman will lock you up," the lady over there will smack you"". That to me is plain stupid, and saying to a child 'You will go to hell if you dont do as I say" is taking the whole rubbish to a new level of bad. Some schools and some ministers have made the wrong impressions on very young children, but I dont remember being afraid of anything when I was small. Afraid of my father, maybe, but not hell. ps, there was no reason to be afraid of my father. Marie.

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    I have a very strong childhood memory of when I was 5 or 6 asking my mum if I would go to hell because I stepped on a snail. Mum said something flippant like "things like that don't count until you are 8." I was quite distressed about how I was going to avoid stepping on snails and swatting flies and other things after I turned 8. It sounds silly to an adult but was quite distressing for a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperGranny View Post
    I dont like the idea of threatening a child with anything. I hear people say, 'the policeman will lock you up," the lady over there will smack you"". That to me is plain stupid, and saying to a child 'You will go to hell if you dont do as I say" is taking the whole rubbish to a new level of bad. Some schools and some ministers have made the wrong impressions on very young children, but I dont remember being afraid of anything when I was small. Afraid of my father, maybe, but not hell. ps, there was no reason to be afraid of my father. Marie.
    i agree. i prefer to use instrinsic motivations for 'behaviour issues'

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    Quote Originally Posted by missie_mack View Post
    I think that telling a child that death equals going into the ground where you rot just as scary, if not more scary than the concept of hell. Mind you there are so few things that are considered forgivable acts that send you to hell, and even less that a child would commit (at least in Catholicism which Cardinal Pell practices) that it really seems like a silly thing for anyone to say to a child in the first place.
    Just curious, what do you/will you tell your kids about death then when they are old enough? What will you tell them happens to the bodies?
    DD knows what graveyards are, I have told her it's where the dead are buried but it's just their bodies, their souls float up out of them and go to heaven to be with God.

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    I totally agree Missy.

    For me, it is scarier to tell my kids that death is nothing.

    I say that bodies are just vessels. and the soul is what feels and sees.


    But I am really really struggling with my beliefs. 3 weeks ago, I was convinced one way and now I am convinced another...

    being a questioning human is sooo much fun.

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    Ah okay, I get what you were saying now Missie.

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    I was taught about hell and how Jesus died and it never frightened me as a child. I was never told I was going to hell though, the only thing I was threatened with was Santa not giving me presents!!
    I'll be teaching my kids about Jesus, and I don't believe in hell the way other people do. If its taught to them that way by someone I'll be correcting it, but otherwise there'll be no mention of hell or the devil in this house.

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    Most people who have told their children that their bodies will either rot in the ground or be burned, or in some cultures sent out to sea...have most likely also added their understanding of HOW the body works - all the firing of electrical impulses, the lungs filling with air, the heart pumping blood around the body, the eyes catching light and turning it into an image to travel along nerves to our brain, how the brain has many different sections that 'control' our behaviour..etc etc.
    That it is that air/oxygen filling our lungs and pumping through our blood keeping the brain doing what it does
    - so when it comes time for those mechanisms stop - your brain releases certain chemicals as it shuts down and yep that's it - light's out, but YOU will not feel any rotting or burning, you will not be able to see anymore as you have no way for the images made by light and shadow to travel to a functioning brain.
    Although it's a nice story to imagine part of you floating around somewhere looking at people and visiting favorite places - it doesn't make logical sense.

    So grab the one opportunity to have at living while it is in front of you and enjoy all that you can possibly fit in to your average estimated 80 odd years of breathing.
    The 'memory' of you will more than likely 'live on' with those who have known you, cared for you, loved you. Just as you will remember and treasure thoughts of people you have met in your life.

    Personally I don't see death as 'scary' once you understand life. (as in how living things work).
    Looking at the life cycles of other life helps gain perspective aswell, compare the lifecycles of say a Dragon Fly [about a year - and most of that is not as an actual adult dragonfly] to that of a Galapagos Tortoise [over 100 years].

    I agree information should be age appropriate - my kids often, out of the blue, get upset and say the don't want me to die. I ofcourse don't want to die - before 'my time', before my estimated expiration date... but I will one day and it is okay to be sad.




    -Pell said in his argument last night that, yes he thinks all living things like dogs for example have souls that will rise up. --- Do things like worms, ants, dustmites and bacteria have souls that rise up?
    I wonder...

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    I guess it comes down to what you believe heaven will be like Thermo. For me, I believe that yes, every animal has a soul and does go to heaven....because I believe heaven is a lot like earth, just a lot more basic,the way it used to be before man ruined it.
    My grandad's heart stopped beating for 5 minutes when I was younger, and he said he saw what heaven was like. He said it's different for everyone, but for him, it was just fields and fields with little wooden lodges scattered around, cows in the fields etc, and everyone he ever cared about that had died was there, and they were all stood out in the field waiting to greet him.

    I believe this is what heaven will be like for me. So yep, everything from blue whales to dust mites will be there.
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