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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    The argument is that actions like what you experienced in your younger days is cruel and abusive.

    You weren't born in a country where people are stoned to death
    - your reaction in 'so what?!'

    seriously?

    Huh? I'm sorry I don't understand why you think I'm lucky then. I've said in the post that I was spiritually abused by people claiming to be christians (among other things) which is relevant to the discussion. The thread goes on a tangent about beliefs, I throw in how I believe that christianity is really quite simple....and then you claim I'm lucky, for some reason. I'm not grasping how luck is relevant to what I believe.

    As for my 'so what' comment, I'm perplexed as to how, what others go through in other countries, relates to what I go through. Furthermore I fail to understand how knowing that others are worse off makes my experience any less than what it is. They are what they are. So yeh, the fact that you bring up luck in that I don't live in another country has no bearing on what we are currently discussing. So yes...so what?...what gives? How is this relevent to my abuse and my beliefs in christianity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    Lily, it has already been said in this thread and past threads that some people believe in a literal 'hell'.

    If you are serious about finding out..do some research, google around. Start by typing 'Apostasy' into your search bar.

    I've done my research, I don't believe it is my responsibility to do yours for you.
    If you stop generalising and do your 'your' research you'll understand that Greek orthodox believes in hell. It does NOT mean parents or the church threaten their children with it which is what your suggesting.
    So please explain which countries do this and how because I don't know what you're talking about?

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    Des, I'm sorry - but you are the one that made this general discussion about YOU.

    I was trying to keep it general..it's hard to talk about serious things that are happening world wide when people keep making it so personal.

    I don't dismiss what you went through - I agree it was abuse, and that is exactly what Dawkins meant when he made his comment.

    You said - 'just follow jesus- easy' or something along those lines (sorry I'm not going back to quote directly) ..and I said it isn't always THAT EASY.
    -- YES you suffered emotional/spiritual abuse, I most definitely acknowledge that and I think it sucks, but had you been born somewhere else the choice to choose what have now chosen may have not been 'so easy'.
    That is all I am saying.

    Des I'm not dismissing what you went through at all - I do still consider you fortunate to be able to sit where you are and type what you can without fear for your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    Lily, it has already been said in this thread and past threads that some people believe in a literal 'hell'.

    If you are serious about finding out..do some research, google around. Start by typing 'Apostasy' into your search bar.

    I've done my research, I don't believe it is my responsibility to do yours for you.
    Well taking a cross section of those in BH, only one of us felt threatened with the concept of "going to hell" and none of us are going to scare our kids with it. And incidentally we all question God and our fairh too. So Australia raises different Christians obviously from what u believe the rest of the world does! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily of the Nile View Post
    If you stop generalising and do your 'your' research you'll understand that Greek orthodox believes in hell. It does NOT mean parents or the church threaten their children with it which is what your suggesting.
    So please explain which countries do this and how because I don't know what you're talking about?
    Regina asked me earlier to clarify what I meant by following certain rules, so I guess the tangent has grown from there.
    It's not just about 'hell' , but what might happen to people who chose to worship a religion outside of their own.

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    FiveintheBed you were quoting things from the old testament and translating them, questioning its meaning, sin, hell, the Canaanites? etc. Jesus came and he simplified it, he preached to his followers a new meaning and truth and said 'follow me' 'do as I do' His teachings were simple yet powerful. He then erased all sin because he died for our sins on the cross. It really is that simple for most Christians.

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    I can say that if being brainwashed to believe a certain thing is abuse then of course it's going to be abuse in other parts of the world also. Yes I was able to escape, because in this country not only do we have freedom of religion but women also have more rights. So yeh that's great that I'm so lucky.

    Doesn't change that I believe that christianity IS simple. It's simpler than people think, it's simpler than what they're being told to believe, it's simpler than some jerk's interpretation behind the pulpit. But people are so hell bent on power...being powerful, controlling and money that they don't want people to know just how simple it all is....cos then they won't be the elite anymore...and this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with man and his greed for money and power!

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    Lily - yep, I agree it is that simple for most Christians.

    You seem to forget I personally am NOT christian and when a thread discusses relgion and the bible and other writings - I take it as a whole.

    I'm quite happy for you to take from it what you do NOW as it is presented to you.

    I can't dismiss the history and how it has an effect on others around the world. *shrug*

    ...so on that note ..just be happy doing what you are doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deserama View Post
    Not anymore as Christ was sent to set us free from the law of sin and death. Christ was made a 'curse' for us thereby making all 'curses' (sins being passed down) obsolete.
    So true .. yet we continue to revert to the law! I think that maybe it is in our ‘carnal’ human nature to want to have a set of rules to follow, and we do want to feel like we can earn our way to heaven on our own merits… but if we can just let go and relax and accept what Jesus has already done for us, it really is so simple, and it is us that complicates it so much!

    I heard a Joseph Prince sermon recently (he speaks a lot on the grace of God), and he was speaking about the Transfiguration (Matthew 17), where Jesus was on the mountain and Elijah and Moses appeared, and Peter (good old Peter!) said that they should built an altar – one for Jesus, one for Elijah, and one for Moses – and God interrupted Peter & said ‘This is my beloved Son’. Anyway, Joseph Prince was saying that Peter was trying to put Jesus (ie, grace) on the same level as the law and the prophets – and God was saying – you cannot make the principle of grace equal to the principle of the law, and the prophets. Don’t put Jesus on the same level as the law. Jesus fulfilled the law!

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