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    For the record I am anti RIC and I don't support air piercing in young children.

    I do however think they are quite different:

    -i imagine circ is much more painful
    -earrings can be removed and holes close up over time - you can't just reattach a foreskin

    I will be back later when I have time to write more.

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    Without going into great detail, I would never compare the two. I feel it trivialises circumcision.

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    I also put childhood vaccinations in the same basket.

    How about naming your child? That is something they are stuck with for life. Perhaps you should hold off on naming your child until they are old enough to choose their own. (And for those that say they can always change it, that isn't the same. They'll still have to forever acknowledge the previous name.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    I think this is the type of debate that anti-circs will see as the exact same and those who are pro-circ will see as entirely different..
    I'm not sure about that, perhaps someone with the same view towards piercings and circumcism will consider them in the same basket whereas someone with differing viewpoints on the issues would consider them in different baskets.

    I'm a strong believer in bodily autonomy, and as such I would not choose to circumcise a son, nor would I choose to pierce a baby's ears. And I consider them both in the same basket.

    Someone else who believed in the benefits of both RIC and baby piercing would likely get both done automatically, and would also likely consider them both in the same basket.

    It is those that are against one (eg RIC) but for the other (eg baby piercing) that is inclined to consider them completely different, because if they are the same then doesn't that make that person a hypocrite.

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    I don't really compare them...but I left my son in tact so that he has the choice later in life if he so desires, and I will let DD decide for herself whether she will get her ears pierced. For me it's about letting my children decide for themselves whether they wish to alter their perfect little bodies. I don't feel it's my choice to make, it's not my body. So in that regard, yes they are in the same boat, but I do see circumcision as a totally irreversible operation unlike ear piercing which can basically be reversed by just not wearing earrings.

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    A penile piercing is purely cosmetic, would you put that in the same boat for a newborn too?

    While I'm pro-choice for circumcision I don't see it as the same as pierced ears.

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    I feel that they're on very different ends of the same scale, when done purely for cosmetic purposes ie "she will look so cute with little earrings"/"we want him to look like his daddy".

    I wouldn't do either personally, especially after seeing the grudge DP still holds against his parents for having him circumcised to match his dad. Also I have very fond memories of getting my ears pierced at 8, and seeing DSD get hers done a few weeks ago at 14 (she's been allowed to for years but never cared to until now). She is so proud of her new sparkly ears!

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    I do see ric and piercing baby ears in the same category in some respects. Both are body modifications without the consent of the child. Personally I would not do either. I would not circ my son unless medically necessary as I believe bodily autonomy and evolution trumps any alleged medical benefits. I would not pierce my baby daughter's ears because I don't like earrings or any jewellery on babies or children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetseven View Post
    I'm not sure about that, perhaps someone with the same view towards piercings and circumcism will consider them in the same basket whereas someone with differing viewpoints on the issues would consider them in different baskets.

    I'm a strong believer in bodily autonomy, and as such I would not choose to circumcise a son, nor would I choose to pierce a baby's ears. And I consider them both in the same basket.

    Someone else who believed in the benefits of both RIC and baby piercing would likely get both done automatically, and would also likely consider them both in the same basket.

    It is those that are against one (eg RIC) but for the other (eg baby piercing) that is inclined to consider them completely different, because if they are the same then doesn't that make that person a hypocrite.
    Good point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweetseven View Post
    I also put childhood vaccinations in the same basket.
    I definately see your point here... but it depends on whether or not you believe in the benefits of vaccinating.

    My son is fully vaccinated because I believe that it is medically benificial (yes, that's debatable). But I would never put him through that pain simply because I thought it would make him look cuter.

    I do agree that circing is way more serious... it is irreversable. But I think that the reason parents do it is the same reason parents pierce babies' ears.


 

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