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    Quote Originally Posted by trishalishous View Post
    Im pretty creative and like to adapt nursery rhymes, fairy tales and songs.
    We also sing some from other countries, which are usually a bit less violent
    i grew up with the original grimm fairy tales in german - they're *way* more violent than any nursery rhymes.

    ooooh, and *this* childrens book - not scary at all [...they sound way less scary on wiki than they do from the book...in german HAHA :-/ ]

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    My mum sings one to DD that makes me uncomfortable. It goes:
    John brown had a little Indian
    John brown had a little Indian
    John brown had a little Indian.
    A one, two, three little Indians
    Four, five, six little Indians
    Seven, eight, nine little Indians,
    Ten little indian boys!!!

    I find it creepy and weird. Why does John brown 'have' little Indians. And why does he only have little boy Indians? Not a song I want my daughter to learn.


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    I find it interesting about the history of that one Mary Mary one! Wow I don't really let change what i sing to dd, heck iv been here 23 years and only just finding out the bad things now.. Haha Altough there are a few wierd ones.. I got this awesome 80s looking nursery rhyme book in mint condition at a vinnies and it has so old nursery rymes in it
    One goes
    Little polly flinders, sat amongst the cinders, warming her pretty little toes. Her mother came and caught her.. And whipped her little daughter for spoiling her nice new clothes...

    Errm ok.. And Peter peter pumpkin eater had a wife and cluldnt keep her ?? what the heck? 😜
    I like them though the illustrations are good,

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    oh I love this topic.

    Yes, Peter peter pumpkin eater was creepy.
    He had an unfaithful wife, so he put her in a chastity belt, made of a pumpkin shell.

    Georgie peorgie is another creepy one. Supposedly referring to the fat lecherous Prince Regent George IV.

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    Ah no. I don't worry. I sung all the same ones as a child and I'm not a serial killer, and if DS is disturbed by something we can always discuss it.

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    I think nursery rhymes are important no matter the meaning. Lots of you have already mentioned that you didn't know the meaning behind some of them mentioned here iykwim? They are part of history and that I respect. I guess it's similar to religious stories and folk stories, even indigenous stories, do you change those to suite your view? it's history


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    Nursey rhymes are a part of our history and it would be a shame if they were lost. As a child I never knew the real meanings, they were just words and music.

    In saying that I must admit rock-a-bye baby is one I've never really sung, I know the 10 little Indians song - but have never heard it with the John Brown bit at the front.

    Peter Pumpkin eater - as a child I always thought it meant he didn't have a house for them to live in so he made one out of a giant pumpkin shell .

    Mary, Mary quite Contrary is one we say a lot, because DD3 is very contrary and we say she should have been called Mary! The kids don't know the real meaning.

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    I change the old woman who lived in a shoe from "She whipped them all soundly and put them to bed" to "She kissed them all soundly" that's the only one I don't really like, and if anything ina nursery rhyme doesn't sound right to me I change it!

    I wouldn't read too much into it really for kids, they just enjoy the rhythm rather than being too worried about the words or meanings.

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    The "quite contrary" line in the poem may refer to Mary's attempts to restore the Catholic Church in England, in the face of extensive opposition by the people. As part of this effort, Mary revived old heresy laws that were used to burn the "Protestant Heretics". Mary was a devout Catholic who bitterly resented her father's (Henry VIII) break with Rome---which was the prelude to the divorce of her mother and Mary's subsequent exclusion from the throne.

    "How does your garden grow?" is probably a mocking reference to her inability to have children. Mary was getting older by the time she finally ascended to the throne of England. She desperately wanted to produce an heir, and thereby preclude the ascension of her protestant sister Elizabeth. She married Phillip II of Spain, and despite several false alarms when she finally thought she was "with child" it actually turned out to be a tumor in her womb. The cancer eventually killed her
    Another idea of the rhyme... It really is interesting, all the old meanings!!!

    10 more rhymes with meanings...

    http://listverse.com/2009/08/19/10-n...their-origins/
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    Quote Originally Posted by nudge88 View Post
    My mum sings one to DD that makes me uncomfortable. It goes:
    John brown had a little Indian
    John brown had a little Indian
    John brown had a little Indian.
    A one, two, three little Indians
    Four, five, six little Indians
    Seven, eight, nine little Indians,
    Ten little indian boys!!!

    I find it creepy and weird. Why does John brown 'have' little Indians. And why does he only have little boy Indians? Not a song I want my daughter to learn.

    Milky mumma since July 2011

    my mother sang something similar to us as kids but she sang

    1 little, 2 little, 3 little indians
    4 little, 5 little, 6 little indians
    7 little, 8 little, 9 little indians

    10 little indian boys


    no idea where she got it from :/


 

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