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    Ok now I've thought about it, I tend to have similar concerns to delirium - that this would turn into a rebate fornthe wealthy.

    However, I think there is a huge push for women in more senior roles. I'd love to be more fairly represented by women in politics and law and I can't see how that could occur with women being restricted to 9-5 hours work. I would never use this, I can't stand Tony Abbott, but I don't think it's an entirely bad idea.

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    I just wanted to point out for those who don't know, in home care is already available, with subsidies, for those who meet special Criteria. There are limited places but where we are, for eg, it is easy to get a spit if you are either a parent to 3 or more under school age, a parent who works from home and breast feeds, an isolated parent, or a parent who cannot access usual care for various reasons. So I think a lot more people would qualify than realize. Worth checking out
    We have used this service, and our caret was paid over $26 an hour, and worked 10 hour days, but with ccb and ccr we paid much much less thank that and had her 2 days a week, caring for 3 pre schoolers plus our school kid after school. SHe didn't do cleaning etc of course, it was very well regulated. It was awesome! I hate now having to use LDC for our youngest two as the next went to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twotrunks View Post
    I just wanted to point out for those who don't know, in home care is already available, with subsidies, for those who meet special Criteria. There are limited places but where we are, for eg, it is easy to get a spit if you are either a parent to 3 or more under school age, a parent who works from home and breast feeds, an isolated parent, or a parent who cannot access usual care for various reasons. So I think a lot more people would qualify than realize. Worth checking out
    We have used this service, and our caret was paid over $26 an hour, and worked 10 hour days, but with ccb and ccr we paid much much less thank that and had her 2 days a week, caring for 3 pre schoolers plus our school kid after school. SHe didn't do cleaning etc of course, it was very well regulated. It was awesome! I hate now having to use LDC for our youngest two as the next went to school.
    I am doing CC from home next term and will be very flexible with early starts, late finishes and some weekends. But in doing it this way I will still not earn much, but the CCB is only minimal (I think 30% max but would have to check) and the rebate won't apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan Mac View Post


    I think this is equally as important as Paid Parental Leave. If there was some sort of assistance for job re-training that would demonstrate that our government considers "SAHPs" at valuable as parents who return to work.

    A few people have mentioned the Family Tax Benefit. My understanding is that the FTB part B is to compensate for the fact that a family with only one income loses a tax-free threshold on the second income (because there is none). I may be wrong, but that's my understanding. (FTB part A is to help families with the cost of raising children, which is why it is available regardless of how many incomes.) Two thoughts on this:
    1) If income tax was based on a 'household' rather than on individuals, and the tax-free threshold was adjusted according to number of adults and children in the household then we could scrap the whole family tax benefit system.
    2) FTB part B is reduced considerably once your youngest child reaches school age. I think this sends a message that staying home without young children to care for is frowned upon.

    This was what I was trying to get at in the OP. I think working families deserve all the help they can get. But value the SAMP. I bet there would be more staying home in the early years if there were some better tax breaks and assistance getting back into work after years out. For our family me being home had been the right thing, I would have hated to be working in their first 2 years. It's not for everyone though even taking financial considerations out of the equation. I worded the OP wrong and unintentionally offended working mums. Nearly all my friends work. Being home with kids is hard and often thankless job. I feel like the odd ball, there's this pressure to get back to being financially productive though I don't want my kids in care from 7am to 6pm. But I don't judge those who do that. Living costs are so high the govt want us all to be working, now most need to. I'd like to think my daughter would get to stay home if that's what she wanted but I fear the trend away from mum at home might be going too far and by the time she's a mum it'll be weird not to have a nanny and be at work. That women can work is great, we don't want to go back in time. But being home with your little ones can be great too.

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    Everything is geared towards a 2 income household. Abbott does not support mothers, and most evidently wants to make it impossible to be a single parent, as single parents don't even have the option of being a 2 income family. It will make it difficult to leave an unhealthy relationship, which is putting women and children at risk. I don't believe for one moment Abbott will put mums and kids first.

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    Ok- call me a fence sitter but on the most part- I agree with everyone.

    More people (Mums included) = better for the economy due to higher income tax revenue

    But I do beleive SAHM benefit children greatly. I'm not saying that all children of working parents result in jail time but I am a believer in if we put more time into our kids than the prospect of a healthy and contributing next generation is greater.

    Overall though- the government does help a lot. Australia IS a lucky country- we are secure and our homeless rate is much less than other developed countries. But, it never seems enough does it. There are still a heap of people struggling that I would love to see get additional help so they could make better use of their time and resources.

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    There are a lot of interesting comments on this on the Age today. At the end of the day, he has only said he would look into the costing of it. I wouldn't hold my breath that it would actually happen.

    Also $7.5k is hardly a dent in the cost of a nanny so I don't think loads more people will suddenly hire them. We would be considered "high income" and it's way out of our price range, especially for only one child. LDC and FDC will still be used by the vast majority I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kw123 View Post
    There are a lot of interesting comments on this on the Age today. At the end of the day, he has only said he would look into the costing of it. I wouldn't hold my breath that it would actually happen.

    Also $7.5k is hardly a dent in the cost of a nanny so I don't think loads more people will suddenly hire them. We would be considered "high income" and it's way out of our price range, especially for only one child. LDC and FDC will still be used by the vast majority I'm sure.
    I think it will mainly benefit shift workers. Single parents who find themselves out of work post-kids especially like railway workers, police officers, doctors. It will be a huge help to people like that. Probably not affordable on a nurses income, but I know loads of people who are nurses, suddenly single while ex takes off interstate with a new girlfriend, suddenly she can no longer do the hours required and is out of work. 9 to 5 nursing jobs are hard to secure, everyone wants them whether they can do nights or not.

    I agree, though, that most people would use fdc ot ldc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    I think it will mainly benefit shift workers. Single parents who find themselves out of work post-kids especially like railway workers, police officers, doctors. It will be a huge help to people like that. Probably not affordable on a nurses income, but I know loads of people who are nurses, suddenly single while ex takes off interstate with a new girlfriend, suddenly she can no longer do the hours required and is out of work. 9 to 5 nursing jobs are hard to secure, everyone wants them whether they can do nights or not.

    I agree, though, that most people would use fdc ot ldc.
    Yes I hadn't thought of that - also people wanting part-time nanny care for after school pick up, school holidays, etc.

    I don't think most shift workers could afford one on a full-time basis though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I don't really think that this is an attack on stay at home parents, but an attempt to help women who already work and have children with the expenses.

    I know that paying 50% of my wage on child care wasn't bl00dy fun, so anything that can help working mothers deal with the work-life family balance is a good thing.
    I agree. I know many mums who have no choice but to work and use daycare, and I think any way of helping them is great (though I disagree with Abbots proposed model)

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