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    I have not read about these proposed rebates but think there should definitely be rebates for nannies as well as other childcare options! I'd love to have the option instead of long daycare...

    Still wouldn't make me vote for Abbott though...

    I don't think SAHM's are the "gold standard". There is no such thing - its what works for each mother, child and family unit. I personally could not be a SAHM and I don't think this makes me a bad mother. Fortunately I don't think anybody in my life would ever think this, and I know my DH doesn't. I am sure my kids won't either!

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    Haven't read the article but my first thought was that not only will the government get the extra tax revenue from mums returning to work, they'll also get it from the nannies. I imagine nannying is one of those jobs that's fairly easy to do under the table at the moment ...

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    I get what you mean OP, it can seem focused on working parents... Maybe there could be a fund where all parents get a certain amount per year, which they can spend as they like. It could be on a sliding scale depending on income or something, up to the current maximum of ccr plus ccb, around $18000 a year. So it could be spent on nannies or child care or other support families need. although I guess as the amount would go down as income increases, it would be a disincentive to work... Hmm. Tricky isn't it? There really is no easy answer here IMO.
    just on a side note, after school care does attract ccb, plus ccr if you work or study 15 hours a week, so there is help once kids a school aged too.

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    A Nanny increases the options as others have said for women who need/want to return to work. I appreciate that there are SAHM's out there who want to still be SAHM's, but there are others out there who do want to work. There are a number of scenarios were that is just not worthwhile currently.

    If a single Mum wants to work from 6am - midday, then there aren't childcare centres open that early and although FDC is an option, is it in the best interests of the children to wake them at 5am on those days so they can go to FDC? Surely, a Nanny who comes into the home is a great option in that case.

    What about the Mum with twins (or triplets) who are under 18 months? A childcare centre will accept them, but from memory they can't go to FDC cause only 1 child under 18 months is allowed. But what if the Mum wants care other than childcare? A Nanny at home in that case could be great.

    Then, there's the parent who doesn't drive. It's hard enough to find decent childcare, but imagine having to consider the logistics of public transport to childcare & to work, especially in the outer suburbs. A Nanny could be fabulous in those situations.

    I don't see a Nanny rebate as being an attack on SAHM's. We need SAHM's and SAHM's do contribute greatly to society. They also do get FTB & the baby bonus, so they are not without financial assistance from the government. Remember that Nannies cost money and a rebate is not going to cover the full cost of a Nanny by any stretch ... and the cost will have to be paid in full, then rebated, so it's still quite tricky for the working parents ... and definitely voluntary.

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    I think people have misinterpreted my OP. I'm not opposed to rebates or subsidized nannies I just feel it's one sided. The focus is on keeping/getting mothers into the workforce with the implication that this is the best thing for families. I'm not up to date on research but my understanding is for young children number 1 is full time parent/ grandparent. 2 nanny. 3 good quality childcare. Rebates are good no doubt, but why does all the focus have to be on this apparent goal of dual income families? There should at least be some proper tax breaks for families on one income. It should be about choice but is it? A childcare worker can go to work and use the rebate to pay another childcare worker to look after their child. If they love their job that's fine but how many mums are doing jobs they hate? Or working full time juggling childcare because they can't get a decent part time job? Most families do need two incomes and the rebates are great. I would just like to see some help offered to families who want to manage on one income and for mums who want to return to work after taking years off to raise kids. And honestly with all the talk of getting mothers back to work I feel like I'm being pulled to the new social norm that I don't believe is best for kids.

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    I do understand what you're saying, although I think if people are a SAHM they have obviously budgeted accordingly and managed to do it somehow. I don't see what is wrong with offering a rebate for a nanny for families who don't work 9-6 hours... I don't see what this is taking away from SAHMs. Most one income families will be entitled to FTB of some sort and the baby bonus, if they are not entitled to that, they are earning over $150k and, honestly, I don't see why they would need extra assistance (I will be flamed for that but it's my opinion).

    The reality is, a LOT of mums HAVE to return to work because of the cost of living. That's a sad fact. I know most of the mums on bubhub are SAHMs and that makes a lot of us feel left out, but actually a high percentage of mums are forced to return to work for whatever reason.

    Making the work-life balance easier for them...well.. I don't see what's offensive about that.

    I do agree with delirium that I have seen some very negative things said about both SAHMs and working mums - neither of us can win. It's just sad that us working mums are thrown a very small bone an we get criticised and hear that it's unfair that we should have a nanny rebate when we already do the job of more than one person It's just a tiny bit of assistance in the grand scheme of things when it comes to being a working mum.

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    Why can't people just accept that at the end of the day we are all mums trying to do the best thing for our children?? I already feel so guilty that I HAVE to go back to work (only to meet BASIC living costs, not to have an extravagant lifestyle!!) but thanks for mentioning again that it's not right for me to do that for my kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubintummy View Post
    Don't want to start a fight, but this thread makes me sad. Feeling very judged right now as I will have to return to work after PPL. It's not a choice or a 'right' for some people to be a working mum. I would love nothing more than to be a SAHM and
    It breaks my heart knowing that I will have to drop my beautiful DS at daycare while I go to work. We made a decision to have kids when we did, knowing full well that I would have to work, but also knowing that we could put off TTC and nothing would change for us financially anyway. PPL makes it possible for me to have any time off, and the child care rebate will cut us a bit of a break. I know so many other families in the same situation as us, it is not uncommon for families to need 2 earners to meet the ever rising basic costs of living. I think SAHMs are lucky that you get the choice to be at home with your babies.

    Didn't realise people felt like working mums choose to work so should suffer the financial consequences because they should be at home anyway.
    I started this thread and apologize that it's been misinterpreted. I have nothing against working mums most of my friends are, I hope to get back into work myself. But after 6 years out of work raising my kids it's going to be hard. If there were more financial incentives to mothers to stay home with children maybe more could actually have a choice. I totally support rebates and help for working mums but when was the last time you heard a politician say anything positive about women who put careers on hold to care for their babies? i would just like to see the govt support families and help them to actually have choices. Some mums work out of financial necessity some for their own sanity. It's clear from this thread not every mum is working by choice. I know i am extremely lucky that I don't have to work, i don't think any working mum should feel guilty. But, if the govt really has children's best interest at heart they should help other families who would like to have a SAHM. In addition to helping out working mums. I don't know that many families who feel they have a choice. sorry for rambling I guess I'd like to see alongside improvements to childcare and financial help, some help for SAHM's or families who would like one parent to be home, but can't afford to. Baby bonus doesn't go very far. PPL is only for working parents. Flexible working is only for people who have jobs. I'd just like to see a bit of balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyamum View Post
    ... There should at least be some proper tax breaks for families on one income...
    What about Family Tax Benefit Part B? It may only be $140 per fortnight (maximum payment) but it certainly helps.

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    A lot of mothers don't return to work with very young children because of the cost of child care - it wasn't worth me working the past 2 years because I lost most FTB and 'earned' a couple of hundred per week after paying child care LOL - if that's not an incentive, I don't know what is!


 
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