I don't really see what religion has to do with the marriage act.
I'm not religious, but I do acknowledge the right of a religion to impose its own rules and standards on its members. If you actually believe that a certain book or set of rules was created by a higher power, then you can't really go editing it, can you?
The way I see it, you either believe in a religion and conform to it, or you don't. If you're not happy with a church's stance on gays then perhaps it's not the right church for you.
However, what really grinds my gears is when said churches seek to impose their values on the rest of the country. If you don't want same-sex couples in your congregation to marry, have at it... but leave the rest of the country out of it. It's just unacceptable.
When people say, 'I can't fathom that people think this is wrong..' or 'I can't believe people think this way' in regards to opposing same sex marriage.
- these people aren't THINKING for themselves, they are regurgitating words from an acient txt that has been manipulated by their 'shepard'.
Simple as that.
..and no, I am not going to apologise if that 'offends' - because I am saying in defense of all the people I know and love, both on BH and in my life that have had to deal with these 'views' for their entire lives.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, the one below that. Anyway my point is, this is a social issue, and if a MINORITY of religious BH members feel that it is wrong, it reflects on them as individuals, hiding their homophobic views behind religion. Being homophobic, sexist, racist, stands alone no matter how people want to paint it.
My church accepts single parents, unmarried parents, gay couples, they do not descriminate.
People are homophobic because they are homophobic. Any other excuse is just a flimsy excuse.
Look at the results. I would say more than half the members on here are in some way religious, yet nowhere near that amount feel that gay marriage is not on. Also, people who are not religious can hold homophobic views.
Please no more reference to religion in this SOCIAL ISSUE thread that is really about politics.
I think, unfortunately, the church has "power" over the politicians as in they don't want to come across as opposing the church so I think until the majority of religious leaders at least won't oppose same sex marriage the politicians won't touch it ( I read somewhere recently only 8% of Australians regularly attend church)
Unfortunately religion involves itself into politics constantly so it is very difficult to separate the two in these types of topics as the religious institutions are vocal about their opposition. However, it is the institutions rather than individual religious people. If I have something negative to say about the way religion involves itself in the lives of the general public, I am not saying anything negative about the individuals who follow that religion, just the religious institution.
Last edited by Mod-Myztik; 25-03-2012 at 11:03.
I have avoided this topic as I knew it would turn into a "religion shouldn't be in politics" debate. I have glossed over a few posts and am choosing to ignore the argument and just put forth my opinion, otherwise I know I'll get frustrated and I'm already frustrated enough right now..
I am Christian. I feel very connected to God. I believe that people who are gay should have the same right to marry as those who are not gay. I am not saying the bible is wrong, I believe that God called us to love each other without judgement. If you want to follow every part of the bible to the letter, then when you look at someone lustfully you should gouge out your eyes. That's as far as I want to take it from a religion point of view.
I have a niece who has been in a same sex relationship for 4 years. She and her partner are extremely caring towards each other and I honestly couldn't see them with anyone else. They are young now, but want the opportunity to marry in the future. They are responsible and have just bought a house together. I don't think they would sully the sanctity of marriage. I think enough heterosexual couples have done that...
I would not love my child any less if they were gay. I would be fearful because I know how much they will be judged by society and that would make their life that much more difficult. I want my children to live a happy, stable life. Forcing them to love someone based on their gender doesn't equal that. I know a lot of my friends and family disagree with me on this issue, but that's ok. I'm not going to base my thoughts on what the majority of people around me think. I have my own mind.
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