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    Default Defence Funded plastic surgery procedures for personnel

    In light of the recent thread regarding whether Medicare should fund plastic or reconstructive surgery, I was wondering what the general view is on defence funding for plastic surgery procedures as it seems to be a subject with crops up in the news every so often. (See link below)

    http://www.news.com.au/national/aust...-1226286812531

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    I do not have issue with it - it is only for approved procedures, that is medically necessary or due to physiological reasons. For me is it is just like medicare funded plastic surgery - it's not like they are just handing out boob jobs just becasue a person is in defence.

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    I think it is great.

    I think that military is doing a lot better job of helping their members than they did in the past.

    I grew up in house where the damage done to one person serving in the military has affected three generations so far. Anything that the military can do to help their members live with the job they have to do, must be a good thing.


    Yes I do believe sometimes that includes surgery's.

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    Unfortunately the media doesn't like to give all the information.

    Defence personnel are not ALLOWED to go to civilian medical establishments without a referral, or unless it's an emergency out of hours (when they have to call to log it with their own health line). So of course the taxpayers pay for that sort of thing, they pay the salaries of the people whether they're doing a boob job or an emergency appendectomy.
    They also don't mention what portion of those procedures are reconstructive surgery after being injured in active duty.

    Eye lifts = easier sighting of a weapon (I know for a fact that's true, my sighting eye has droopy flesh and it makes my aim a bit dodgy because I have to pfaff about to get a really clear shot). Varicose veins make sense, even if you're just playing a high contact sport you can risk a clot that could be life threatening, not to mention battle PT. Boob job? Eh. I can see that if you're too busy focusing on how you look, you're probably going to have your work standards go down. I've never suffered from depression from that kind of thing so I couldn't say.

    It's not like they hand out boob jobs like a 'thanks for coming' thing though. Any non-essential surgery has to be strongly justified, you have to go through several headshrinks and panels for approval, and you really have to prove that you need it to make your work better. Basically you have to justify the cost and show that your work improvement will outweigh the cost of the surgery. And you have to go through that whole process of being embarrassed by having to prove that you need boobs to feel better about yourself with a good solid chance that it'll be knocked back. I'm guessing you'd have to be pretty desperate to go through that process.

    What they also don't mention is that Defence members are taxpayers too .

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    As Eko mentioned, the process for procedures, particularly cosmetic procedures, is extremely long and arduous when you are an ADF member. The ADF reserves the right to refuse treatment at an external clinic even if it is at the cost of the member (basically, someone might want breast augmentation and is willing to pay for it but isn't allowed to get it done!).

    My DH wanted to get braces as his two front teeth protrude slightly and he is extremely self conscious about it. He has been teased about it mercilessly ("Bugs bunny" etc) and went to his ADF doctor about it to commence the long process of approval. It took 1.5 years of appointments with doctors, dentists and psychologists, and a lot of paperwork, for him to be told that it wasn't an option even at his own cost.

    They don't hand these procedures out willy nilly, contrary to popular belief. The media loves hyping up stories like this and they insinuate that it is easy and commonplace, when it actually isn't.

    In regards to the member who underwent a sex change procedure - I have seen an interview with her and I can't even begin to imagine the emotional and mental sufferings she was experiencing being stuck in the wrong body. I can also understand the approval from a financial and practical perspective - the ADF would have spent many, many years, along with thousands and thousands of dollars, training her up to her current rank. It would have been cheaper approving the surgery than training up another person to her position. She is also very good at her job and it would have been a loss had they refused the operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    In regards to the member who underwent a sex change procedure - I have seen an interview with her and I can't even begin to imagine the emotional and mental sufferings she was experiencing being stuck in the wrong body. I can also understand the approval from a financial and practical perspective - the ADF would have spent many, many years, along with thousands and thousands of dollars, training her up to her current rank. It would have been cheaper approving the surgery than training up another person to her position. She is also very good at her job and it would have been a loss had they refused the operation.
    In the process of becoming a female, she was no longer eligible to be employed in the position that she was in because it was a male-only role. There aren't that many of them anymore, but she was one in one of them.
    That meant that to have the gender-reassignment surgery, she had to remuster to a new job.

    Defence would have to pay her to remuster and would probably still have to pay her at a higher pay rate because she wasn't 'electing' to take the role change (part of the approval process I'm sure would have been an exhausting psych process where she had to prove that it was valuable to Defence to do it). Becoming a female meant that job change was forced on her. They would also have to employ a new member to take on that role when she left it.
    I'm not quite sure how the cost to value ratio was worked out on that one. It actually would have worked out much more expensive to pay for the surgery etc. than to just hire someone else to take on her job and make her pay for it from her own pocket.

    I'm not saying the surgery shouldn't have been approved, I'm just a bit curious as to the absolute craziness she would have had to go through to get it approved at all.

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    I'm totally fine with it, if you can convince defence to pay for it, get them to agree to time off work and actually trust them to find you a decent surgeon to do the procedure go for it.

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    I'm completely fine with it too, and certainly get that that media just prints what they think the public want to hear as opposed to all the facts. There are most definitely a lot hoops ADF members have to jump and a long and arduous journey to be approved for any type of plastic surgery or the like and yes, ADF members are tax payers too.

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    And to add that a mere 1500 ADF members out of thousands of serving members across the country in 3 years, is a pretty paltry amount of people in the grand scheme of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uniquey View Post
    And to add that a mere 1500 ADF members out of thousands of serving members across the country in 3 years, is a pretty paltry amount of people in the grand scheme of things.
    And remember some (probably most) of them were for injuries that incurred during their service and reconstructions after cancers like breast cancer.


 

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