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    Quote Originally Posted by share a book View Post
    Yes but I don't believe we evolved from them. I don't remember what they're called (and dd is in trouble so she's stormed off) but I believe the prehistoric dolphins became land creatures as well as continuing to evolve in the water to later become dolphins. I can't explain it well, but basically at some stage during the process some ended up on land, some in water. We remained in the water, the ones on land later bacame apes. Then when the other water ones split we ended up on land but because we came from the same place there were similarities, but I don't think we were apes first. It probably makes very little sense. We've had a rough time this afternoon. It would also help if I knew the names of the prehistoric ocean mammals
    Ichthyosaur?
    They resembled dolphons.

    The Dugong is a great example of a creature that has most likely gone from the water and then back to it - by looking at the bones in it flipper like legs.


    I need to re read your post and come back - but Ijust wanted to throw those names out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyflower View Post
    Creation.

    But would someone please explain the beginnings of evolution . Ie where did the first amoeba come from or who created the forces that created the big bang theory. Every time I ask this no evolutionist answers me. Really genuinely curious.


    You know what I think? Both approaches need total faith as there is no absolute proof for either of them.
    I don't think claims to KNOW where those forces come from... but there are many people exploring that.
    The 'big bang' theory I think more refers to the things that happened AFTER the expansion of the universe... it doesn't declare the before hand (someone correct me if that doesn't sound right)


    Single celled organisms developed in the ocean because the environmet was suitable..all the chemicals, the temperature etc
    Those single celled organisms began to mutate...in many different ways.
    Like when you have moisture on your bathroom wall, heat and certain temperatures- mould appears.

    I know of a quick little vid where David Attenborough talks about it with visuals if you would be interested at looking at it?
    Cool if not.

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    'theory' in scientific terms - is different to 'just an idea'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    The 'big bang' theory I think more refers to the things that happened AFTER the expansion of the universe... it doesn't declare the before hand (someone correct me if that doesn't sound right)
    The big bang theory refers to the point at which the universe/ time/ space began, after which point it began to expand.

    Some people have mentioned that they don't believe one living thing can turn into another. Just wanted to reiterate that the theory of evolution is based on us all evolving from the same basic material - not, for example, a fish turning into a leopard. Same ancestors, evolving in different ways.

    Also, we are no more evolved (technically speaking) than a chimp. We have evolved for different purposes. It isn't the case that some animals 'stopped' evolving (except those which became extinct, of course).

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    SAB - have you looked at a diagram of the 'tree of life'?


    it might help to explain what you are trying to explain?

    I've read your post a couple of times - but I keep getting lost.

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    OOoOoooooH Des - the good Ol' 'watchmaker' thing.





    I see your watch maker - and ask... who made him?

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    Sorry to keep cropping up in here, but this topic interests me.

    I also meant to add that evolution is not the same as the big bang theory.

    Evolution describes how species have adapted and become what they are today. It doesn't describe how the universe began - that is a separate topic.

    Evolution is still in evidence today, and is measurable and demonstrable. The start of the universe is still up for a bit of a debate!

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    keep coming back Girl X [and everyone else].. it's how converstations happen!


    ( and plus I don't want to move from under the aircooler :P)

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    I believe a little of it all. I believe there had to be something, and that something created what I see as a version of the big bang theory, but I also believe that this 'something', God, if you will, made it so everything could evolve. He created apes that we evolved from. Jesus, his disciples and all that came later...

    So yes, I believe in God, I believe he created life, but I believe he also created evolution.

    Strange I know, but i also believe in aliens.

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    Creation

    I find that BOTH creation and evolution (including 'the big bang theory', or how the universe initially began) involve a degree of faith. For me, I don't find creation any more inplausable than evolution.... I have an analogy lol (don't destroy it with your negativity. It's just meant to be a 'light' story.

    Creation analogy....
    Last week, something really incredible happened to me. I had a whole heap of spare car parts, just lying around in my garage. A friend of mine, who is a mechanic, was looking in my garage, and they said that they could use those car parts to build a car. The mechanic worked solidly for a week, and lo and behold, they used the parts and built a car!

    Evolution analogy.... (well, big bang theory, really).
    Last week, something really incredible happened to me. I had a whole heap of spare car parts, just lying around in my garage. There were some chemicals there, and I noticed that they were creating different gasses and weird things in the garage. I was sitting in my lounge watching TV, when I noticed a HUGE explosion noise coming from the garage. I rushed in, and through the dust, I noticed - sitting in my garage - was a car! That's right - the chemicals caused an explosion that caused the parts to come together in perfect formation, and create a car!


    I know which one I find more believable

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    I don't doubt evolution in the slightest. Not only does it make sense, but there are fossil records and genetic data affirming constant adaptation over time.

    There are still primates in existence because, as others have mentioned, humans and other apes are descended from a common ancestor whose population split to become two (and more) lineages (the concept is called monogenesis).

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