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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    The single parents started a private group, maybe you should do the same. You can discuss it all until your heart is content!
    I think the point is people who posted deliberately inflammatory things in the single parents section were - quite rightly - reminded of the basic principles of respect.

    In the same way I expect people in anti vax thread to respect that principle, in the same way I expect people in c-section threads to respect that choice, I'd expect people in the religious threads to respect that.

    There's a big difference between questioning and being insulting.

    I genuinely don't understand why it can be open slather on some groups and not others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theboys&me View Post
    A little off topic but the examples you've given don't make sense to me.... Obviously people can and do say those things because they all happen quite regularly here on BH.

    Yes people get offended at others comments - just the same as in religious threads. None of its deemed ok IMO... But it's all the same really. The only changing factor is the person being offended.
    Yes it happens regularly and people are pulled up on it straight away, because its wrong to disrespect people like that. It would seem in the case of religion it is ok to say what you want though.

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    I've dabbled with many religions. I was born Jewish, went to a COE school and now I generally believe in some kind of higher power but don't need a name for it, don't read any texts, just live by a 'do no harm' philosophy (that's Wiccan isn't it?)

    Respect is paramount in a discussion about someone's belief.

    I remember when I was 15 and giving Christianity a go, people questioning my beliefs at the time was so confronting. Not because I wasn't convinced of my beliefs (that came later), but because you're asking someone to bear their soul.

    Religion and faith are core elements of who a person is...asking them to justify their religion or faith is like asking them to justify themselves and their existence.

    There are ways it can be done, and some people are really fantastic at sharing their personal experiences with others, but others aren't so much.

    I love having had exposure to so many different religions. I think I'd be a lot more boring and a lot less open if I hadn't grown up around religious Jews, gone to school with active Christians and immersed myself in different cultures and religions whilst travelling. And I feel so secure in my beliefs knowing I have tested the waters and devised a faith of sorts that I am truly comfortable with, and I don't think any of my religious friends or families have been collateral damage in my own journey so I think I've done it respectfully

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    I personally find it really sad there is a need for any private sections TBH. I think its pretty bad that people can be so rude (to any sub-group) that its needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelle65 View Post
    Like any controversial topic, there are going to be people with strong views who can't help themselves.

    Personally, I think that a lot of terrible, evil things have been done because of religion and not discussing it because "they are my beliefs, don't question me" does not sit well with me at all.

    That said, I agree that people should be respectful to each other. I guess religion is another one of those things like single parenting, bottle feeding, controlled crying etc that degenerates into rudeness sometimes.
    Yet unlike those other topics, the rudeness towards religious members is tolerated. The rules are very clear in other areas. Not so clear in this area. When a member ends up in tears because people make a mockery of her faith, that's her problem she reacted way and it's ok that people can scoff at others?

    It's not about questioning, wanting to learn more, gathering information. It's about scoffing, laughing at, belittling other members.

    Is it really that hard to show respect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NancyBlackett View Post
    I think the point is people who posted deliberately inflammatory things in the single parents section were - quite rightly - reminded of the basic principles of respect.

    In the same way I expect people in anti vax thread to respect that principle, in the same way I expect people in c-section threads to respect that choice, I'd expect people in the religious threads to respect that.

    There's a big difference between questioning and being insulting.

    I genuinely don't understand why it can be open slather on some groups and not others?
    And there is a big difference between what one person finds insulting compared to the next.

    Once again - any questioning of religion is apparently 'insulting', no matter how it is worded.

    Maybe a disclaimer would be appropriate - something along the lines of "Do not reply unless you believe 100% in God and Jesus"...or something along those lines. Because clearly no-one else is welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    Dawkins has some great stuff to say on 'respecting religions'...and how it can lead to extremism.

    There is a difference though, respecting a 'person' of a certain religion and questioning the Origins of that religion can be done at the same time.
    I agree completely. I think?

    In the recent threads I have seen a lot of people put their faith out there and answer questions put to them to the best of their ability.

    They have seemed to accept that there is a great deal of interest and scepticism involved in their beliefs and they have dealt with it in good humour.

    Things have gone off the rails when people have started questioning others intelligence, not their religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    And there is a big difference between what one person finds insulting compared to the next.

    Once again - any questioning of religion is apparently 'insulting', no matter how it is worded.
    To clarify a little- saying someone who believes in God is 'less intelligent', 'primitive', that you can't possibly fathom how a 'seemingly intelligent' person could believe in creation- thats insulting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    Religious people who have questioned parts of the bible have been attacked by religious members for being disrespectful. Any questioning of faith, God, Jesus, the bible, is 'disrespectful', no matter HOW it is worded.

    So clearly it's not about being religious or non-religious. It's about not questioning *anything*. Those are the only people 'welcome' apparently
    I'm pretty sure it was you who said if people believed in santa clause they'd be medicated yet if people believe in God it's ok. In other words, if you believe in God its the same as believing in santa. I took it to mean I should be medicated.
    I also think it was you who referenced a study that said intelligent people don't believe in God. And how can any person with some intelligence believe in God.
    That's not really a discussion about the bible is it? Do you think making those sorts of stamtements is respectful?
    I think you of all people know what people are saying, yet you're trying to defend yourself. And every post seems to have a wink at the end. Giving people winks means your saying it with attitude and without being genuine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witwicky View Post
    No, part of the reason it was created was to discuss single issues in private because other forum members were coming into the threads. I know this for a fact.

    Pegasus has suggested starting a religious group in the other thread, it looks like you are looking for an argument by starting this thread.

    OR if you don't want your beliefs challenged at all, then go on a Christian forum

    The 'rude' & 'disrespectful' thread you are all referring to was in the open chat section, so why are we even discussing this 'issue'? Or can we not challenge it there either?
    There were quite a few disrestful posts in the current one. There have been many closed threads in this section. It's not just about that one thread.

    Also, this IS a religious forum.


 

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