Fair enough! I'll have a read, and I'll BBL
Fair enough! I'll have a read, and I'll BBL
Following the holy Fathers, Orthodoxy teaches that Christ, on the Cross, gave "His life a ransom for many" (Matt. 20:28). "For even the Son of man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many" (Mark 10:45). The "ransom" is paid to the grave. As the Lord revealed to the Prophet Hosea (Hosea 13:14), "I will ransom them (us) from the power of the grave, I will redeem them from death." In a sense, He pays the ransom to the devil who has the keeper of the grave and holds the power of death (Heb. 2:14).
The man Christ voluntarily gave Himself on the Cross. He died for all ("a ransom for many" or "the many"). But He rose from the dead in His crucified body. Death had no power to hold Him. It has no power over anyone. The human race is redeemed from the grave, from the devil. Free of the devil is to be free of death and sin. To be free of these, we become like God (deification) and may live with Him forever.
According to Roman Catholic theology, God became man in order to satisfy the divine Justice which was offended by the sin of Adam. In other words, by his sin Adam offended the infinite God and, therefore, his sin had infinite consequences. It was not within the power of sinful and finite man to make amends, for the sin of Adam ("original sin") passed to us; but it is our obligation to do so. Only Christ, Who was God and man, could pay this "debt of honor." He pays the debt by dying on the Cross. His death makes up for what Adam had done; the offense is removed. God is no longer angry with man. Christ rises from the dead, the promise or "earnest" of the believing man's future. For a long time, the Latins, whether among ordinary Catholics or intellectuals, little attention was given to the idea of deification. Not much attention was devoted to the concepts necessary to understanding this doctrine.
Yes there are people today that claim to be speaking the word of God- and simply put, does what they say back up the Bible? If not, then they're not actually speaking words God has given them.
The quote you posted doesn't back up Scripture.
Last edited by TheMadHatter; 03-03-2012 at 12:44.
I spent alot of my time writing those posts. If you're not going to respect that and be rude about it then there's no point is there.
Maybe someone else can spend the time answering you.
Although I'm still not sure what the question was or your answer to it, but never mind. I thought you were asking about Lilith but then it went to Noahs Ark. What I got was what you thought about womens roles in the bible and how the earth was populated by Noahs family, marsupials and why the animals didn't eat each other. Is that what you're talking about?
Thanks des for reminding us to keep this on track
Fiveinthebed - I'm definitely interested in coming back to discuss co.text with u, in regards to Noah & also other examples in the bible that are relevant in context to the culture of when.it was written I'm sure we can all contribute positively to that discussion from all different viewpoints. I don't have time now but will be back later- probably not until tonight, lol. I really hope this thread stays nice and on track so we can get to it!
Are you trying to say that just because Noah & co. didn't know about any more of the world outside a small part of the Middle East, the flood didn't cover the whole world?
We don't know much about the universe apart from our own solar system, but I don't think many of us would say "oh we don't know anything about it so therefore nothing must happen there"
I believe the Bible is 100% true. I don't pick and choose what to believe, I believe it all. And therefore when it says the flood covered the whole world, it covered the whole world. Not just the part Noah was familiar with but the whole world.
If you are looking to understand people that call themselves Christians but don't believe the Bible, the existance of heaven and hell, creationism, but think there could be some force out there- that's not Christianity, it sounds more agnostic. Sure they may be using the name but without accepting any of the central aspects of the faith it means nothing!
By the way, Lily I really liked your pyramid analogy, it was a great way of looking at it
I skimmed back over the post and the only analogy I could find was the Pyramid one.
I've actually taken the time to look at teh link someone provided re Noah
[no - not talking about Lilith, I've been told as she doesn't exist n teh bible we shouldn't bring her into it]
so...I looked at the link and spent some of my time writing out a post about 'context'
If you're up for a discussion about that?
My point is - when you start looking at logistics like marsupials going to other countries and not being eaten ect - it DOESN'T make sense -- becasue THAT is NOT the way it was written back then.
I find it baffling that people would prefer to say 'Hmm..I don't know - who knows?..maybe god spread them around?'
When it is really more logical and really, I think pays respect to The Bible, to say... 'The people who wrote about Noah and his family use the word 'world' as it was to them THEN. IE - the land within a certain radius of Jerulslm'
This is not dismissing your faith - it s looking at it's origins
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