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    [QUOTE= I have done 12 stim cycles with ET and 19 FET and I am so over it.

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    Luckychance far out - you are are a strong woman! I have everything crossed ED works for you. You have been through too much

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    Luckychance, as others have said there is no specific test for egg quality as far as I am aware and it seems to be a very subjective 'diagnosis'. It is the label most IVFers seem to attract when you have had many unsuccessful cycles and/or many miscarriages as 'good' quality eggs are thought to have some capacity to correct sperm abnormalities on fertilisation.

    Some FS seem to go by way the eggs look when referring to poor quality, eg. 'grainy' in appearance, having thin shells and collapsing when ICSI'ed and some point to poor fert rates as an indication of egg quality. And of course quality can vary cycle to cycle.

    Even though we came to IVF due to MFI we too have attracted the poor egg quality label even though we always got blasts, had good fert rates, usually had at least 2 to transfer and occasional frosties BUT never had an A grading in 7 transfers. A subsequent CGH cycle and karyotyping of embies following MC's have shown chromosomal issues on most occasions which no-one has been able to give us an adequate explanation for why this occurs and obviously there isn't a treatment available for at the present time.

    So 2 FS and 4 years later after trying DHEA, saizen, PGD (CGH array), years of TCM and acupuncture and having 3 MC's and 3 chemical pregs we made the decision to move onto donor eggs as our best chance of having a live birth.

    It sounds like you have already accounted for autoimmune issues and have that covered with the clexane and steroids but I think it is important to have as much testing and information as you can (even though as I said above there are many areas where the science still doesn't have all the answers).

    Good luck with your appt with The Guru! One thing I have learned from this forum is that you never know when your lucky egg could come along...

    As for donor eggs in my opinion it is a decision that you need to come to in your own time and when you feel you have exhausted all other options/ energy to persevere with your own eggs.
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    Luckychance, 12 stim cycles, you are def an ivf warrior!

    I would def be getting a 2nd opinion, could you fly to melbourne even if you can't get to QLD? 12 cycles is a lot to go through with no positive results, i can't even imagine how much heartache as well as money that has cost you. It might be hard to do a cycle in another city, but it sounds like you need someone else to run a critical eye over all of your previous cycles and see what you can change.

    Absolute best of luck to you, really hope you get that BFN soon.

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    Hi there, I know it has been said before but you could try the DHEA. I have had 3 failed IVF cycles all with PGD and out of 10 tested, 9 were abnormal and 1 was normal (chemical miscarriage)

    I have just had my 4th cycle and after 12 weeks of DHEA, my FHS went down from 9 to 5, AFC increased and I am in the wait to see if any will be ready for biopsy tomorrow day 6. (7 eggs, 6 mature, 6 fertilised)

    I just say it can't hurt.

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    I didn't think poor quality eggs could be fertilized and implant - at least that's what I've been telling myself. It sounds more like a progesterone problem (oestrogen dominance).

    I haven't solved this yet myself, but I'm trying this bio identical progesterone cream http://lawleydirect.com.au/pdf/pi/profeme-10-pi.pdf as well as diet and exercise and sunshine.

    It does take somewhere between 3 and 13 cycles to 'correct' or build better eggs, there's a good summary here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folliculogenesis

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    Thanks for the replies and information
    We decided to go ahead with a cycle from unknown donor. It didn't work out so well starting with clinic telling me on my FET day & giving me 7 days to decide yes or no then sending me the account before signing the paper work or having any details about donor Oh and they forgot to tell me when OPU was so the lab rang me at work to ask where DH was?

    We got 5 eggs from donor, 4 fertalised and by day 3 had one 6 cell and two 4 cell by day 5 we had nothing to transfer
    I asked FS if he thinks it's my eggs that are "bad" and he said yes or it could be my endometrium? I keep thinking maybe it is an egg issue now that I'm 38 but I did my first cycle the week before I turned 33 and have a feeling it's something else but I've got brain drain after so much research, thinking about it and feeling sorry for myself and wish there was an easy answer

    So now we wait for another donor or decide what to do next. FS told me I could do another stim cycle while I wait but I don't see the point in doing the same old thing again... I still have my appointment with wazza but may need to change it to work in with DH work roster.

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    I really think that you should see another FS even if it means missing a cycle. There is no point in continuing this emotional journey and spending all of this money when your FS is still saying that you have poor egg quality even after a donor cycle! Your clinic should never of made those mistakes you mentioned.

    It's very unfortunate that you're donor cycle didn't work out - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.

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    Hi Girls,

    I hope that you dont mind me popping in, but am just hoping to help one person if possible. A quick background on me. I have PCO (cysts and dont ovulate), have blocked tubes and a blood clotting disorder (all when I thought I was a very healthy person). I did IVF 3 times in the end. 1st time I overstimmed, got 21 eggs and no eggs fertilised. Second time failed and third time failed with FS suggesting poor egg quality. I was waiting to do a FET but no matter how many drugs I was given I could not get my lining past 4.7mm. Dr said very little that they could do for me which was obviously DEVASTATING. I then spent about 20 hours over a weekend trawling the internet. I came across a book called Understanding Fertility by Randine Lewis at my local library and it became my bible. I also started seeing an awesome TCM practitioner, started taking chinese medicine, had weekly acupuncture and changed my diet quite radically ( I did not need to lose weight but ate way too much sugar), no alcohol, sugar, mostly organic etc, which was sooo different from my normal diet (I was desperate and was my last resort). I was doing all of this for 3 1/2 months with the intention of my lining issue improving. After 3 months I ovulated for the first time in my life with all normal symptoms I had only read about. So was waiting to get my period to start another FET and it never came. By some absolute miracle my tubes cleared, I ovulated and now have a 4 month old baby girl. I took Clexane and Aspirin however when I retested I also no longer have anticardiolipin antibodies. I hate to mention the preg thing as I know how hard it is to hear about but am posting in the hope that I can help even one person in reaching their dream. The diet was really hard to stick to and I did slip up a few times but worth it in the end. My cousin also went to them as she had had 3 miscarriages and is now 20 weeks (apparently they help with this aswell). I wish you all so much luck on here, and know how painful this whole thing is. All the best, Rainbow

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