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    Hi Ange, so sorry to hear things still haven't worked out, it's very unfair this process. Is there no sperm in the ejaculate at all? I'm guessing so as that's why you needed TESE.
    I guess the question that needs to be asked is what will stop another VR closing over.

    I'm going to be honest, not to be blunt or hurtful, but because I wish I had of known instead of living in false hope. I really think regardless of a second VR or not, you will need ivf. I know how nice it is to imagine conceiving naturally - but to be realistic the odds aren't in your favour. Many men (my DH included) struggle to produce enough quality sperm even a year post VR to naturally conceive. Given that your DH has already had 1 unsuccessful VR, what are the chances this time it will be different. And even still, it would have to be leaps and bounds different because then you will be a 42 year old TTC naturally with recovering/building or even decreasing sperm count.

    I would seek a second opinion in the IVF route. There are some other methods like PICSI or IMSI that could prove helpful - i can't recall exactly which one uses the high powered microscope for sperm selection but it was my next step.

    In the grand scheme of things, if you will most likely end up back in the ivf clinic, Id be using the 10k Dr leckich charges to throw everything at a decent ivf cycle.

    My story - I sat in Dr Leckich's clinic thinking we would be successful straight away. DH had a daughter AFTER his vasectomy, and on our consult, Dr L found a sperm in the ejaculate prior to VR. I was 25 and conceived my 2 children in my first marriage from one baby dance! So we were a sure success story right? A year of ttc naturally, return of sperm only the minimum for ivf and declining plus morphology/motility issues and then another 18 months and 5 ivf ICSI cycles - we have only just welcomed our precious boy 2 weeks ago! 3 years after our VR.

    Whilst I am so grateful and he was worth every heartache, year and cost (and we are in debt now and struggling) I can't say if our journey could have been different. Should we have gone straight to ivf or did the reversal help? I'm not sure, but if I knew then what I know now, I'd probably try the IVF first. Or at least a lot sooner after VR. I too was holding onto falling naturally. It took a long time to accept it wasn't going to happen.

    I am so sorry that you are in this boat. I know all too well the feeling of trying VR and IVF and them both not working! And both sides will try to convince you that their procedure is the way to go. But factoring in age and previous results, I would be sticking to ivf but with a different approach as you may just end up in their clinic anyway another 10k down and a year older.

    I wish you all the best in whatever decision you make and hope success comes soon. Xoxo

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    I'm so sorry things haven't worked out as planned @ange111 I'm with @StillHopeful, I wouldn't waste more time and energy on another VR but that's just my personal feeling.

    DF had a VR in 2014 and while it was a technical success, those swimmers just weren't swimming! We needed help to get pregnant!

    We did our first round of ICSI and transferred a 5 day blastocyst on May 7th and we are now cautiously excited to have a 6wk 4d peanut on board. I know we are incredibly lucky given it was our first go, there are so many who don't have that success and I count myself grateful everyday, but please don't give up on IVF...it may take time but the odds are it will happen eventually and probably quicker than you going through a second VR.

    I hope you can find answers soon that works best for you and your hubby, wishing you all the very best xx

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    @ange1111
    hihugs to you on your jounrey , it's a tough one and this October we have been patiently waiting for 4 yrs trying naturally since vascetomy reversal with dr leich
    we just had a check up and ultrasound with him-he also advised 2nd reversal
    we won't be going ahead with it
    we have found a man in red hill called Peter Kingston - he is completely alternate using only accuptunture and Chinese herbs
    I have learnt so much from him and he's so knowledgable in male reproduction and worked with couples before following VR
    he order DH a bunch of blood tests to make sure he is actually still producing immature sperm
    ( what is DH count ?) if you want to share
    we have gone from 25 mil post vr
    15mil 2yrs post VR
    5 mil 3.5 yrs post VR
    with also low mobility and morphology
    he explained it that the trauma from the vascetomy then the reversal /scar tissue is what makes it hard for sperm to come through - just like it would our tubes blocked
    we are 5 weeks in with treatment with him and DH is on a bucket of herbs and teas to boost his count and I feel quietly confident
    he also treats women if that is what is going on with egg quality etc if DH has a great sperm count this might be an option
    best of luck
    i am 30 and dh32 so we have time on our side to play in the natural field abit longer
    we also have our DS 9 so we are blessed already which is why we aren't going in IVF jounrey

    like @StillHopeful @onedaymaybebaby are very honest and clear in there answers
    I feel like I was given false hope there was no way I was going to get pregnant naturally with any of this numbers and morphology and I've tryed naturally for this long
    it's a heart breaking
    i I would put my 10k towards IVF or natural therapies
    @StillHopeful congrats Hun what great news about your birth xxx xx

    ps my cousin just had VR done 1 yr ago and same out come - I'm wondering if this VR does work at all .....
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    Hi ladies,

    Did ICSI through Tas IVF in 2013. My husband has CBAVD - natures vasectomy so we had no way of trying reversal.

    Dr Bill Watkins is amazing and is a lot more affordable than other IVF companies. I used to work for a specialist that was a director and doctor of one of the main Victorian IVF clinics.

    Can't recommend Bill or his team more highly.

    Was a great way to holiday and relax while going through the stress of OPU's, testicular biopsy and ET's.

    Didn't do a full cycle this time but am currently 11 weeks.

    Wishing you all the luck with your decisions and treatments.

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    Felicia great to hear from you and that you are back TTC, even though it is heartbreaking at times (most of the time!) giving up is harder than to keep going. I truly hope you find success soon, you all so deserve it xoxo

    Thank you for your words of congratulations, he has made every heartache worth while and knowing he is my last baby, I'm just breathing in every moment.

    We welcomed him on May 21st at 18:17 - 7pound 4 ounces of perfection💙
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    @StillHopeful he is just perfect! Gorgeous baby! Congratulations!

    It's great to read a few more success stories from heading the icsi/ivf route.
    Good luck to you all xxx

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    @StillHopeful oh my he is just gorgeous Hun - good job
    bless him with everything and as you said breath in every moment xxxxxxxxxxx

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    @StillHopeful @onedaymaybebaby @Felicia thank you thank you thank you! Such in depth and helpful answers I am so grateful!!!
    I am so pleased for your success stories too and hope the rest of us get the same!!
    @Felicia, Id love to know what blood tests he ordered for DH?? Nothing from the sperm sample, just bloods? Thank you

    You ladies are my heroes, we are all amazing on this journey

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    Quote Originally Posted by monroe78 View Post
    Hi ange1111,
    Do you have any answers as to why the reversal didn't work?
    If it were me, i would ask the Dr if a second reversal would give a different outcome, or would the same problem that caused the first to fail arise again.
    Have you looked at different ivf clinics instead? Maybe a change in treatment/medication, protocols and a new fertility specialist for the ivf/icsi may be helpful?
    Are you taking any supplements like menevit and coq10 (ubiquinol) for egg quality.
    And thanks so much @munroe! Ive changed IVF clinics once and about to try another one now...havent done different protocols yet, but want to try a low dose one to see if better quality...Yes on ubiquniol, and take zinc and a prenatal (I have mthfr so one with active form of folate) Thank you XX

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