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    I think that it is a choice for each parents to make for themselves and that no child should ever be excluded.

    I have worked in CC for 11 years and have had about a %15 non vaxed rate but it has never caused any issues.

    My DD is fully vaxed and that was a choice we made together and was influenced by the fact that my husband has a PHD in microbiology and biotec so he is well versed in this area

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    My DS went to child care for 2 years, he never caught anything more than a cold or tummy bug. I do know that some other children caught things like hand foot and mouth, head lice, and a few other minor things.

    When your little one starts child care, the centre informs you when there is something contagious going around and, please correct me if wrong, I'm fairly sure if something nasty has been picked up the children who aren't immunised will have to be excluded.

    I don't believe for one second that not immunised = sick, but I do know what kids are like with hygiene and can honestly say my DS was very rarely unwell until beginning child care. They are more likely to catch something in a child care centre than somewhere else as there's so many other children there who aren't great at wiping their bums, washing their hands and hands constantly in mouths etc. 10% does seem like quite a high percentage but I wouldn't worry unless there's something nasty going around.

    I'm a believer in immunisation, but the accusation that "if you believe in vaccination it shouldn't matter whether others are or not" doesn't quite sit with me as vaccinations only work when a vertain percentage of the population is vaccinated.

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    Some people vaccinate, some people don't. Each to their own, different people have different beliefs.
    I personally DO vaccinate as *I* feel that is best for my DD's.
    I have no issue with my DD's being around non-vaxxed people at daycare. They are just as likely to catch something (probably worse) while down the street or out shopping with me.

    Edit - The sickest my DD's have been is when they had a week long bout of gastro which they caught from a little boy at my Nan's funeral. I'm a SAHM at the moment but while I was working they went to daycare 3 times a week for a year and never got ill.
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    Vaccinated and unvaccinated children can catch and carry.

    Vaccinated children make nice unnoticed carriers of lesser versions of illnesses too.

    I don't think it makes a difference, we all should be able to choose for ourselves, but let me explain my situation and then you can tell me if you still think I'm ignorant and stupid. Or that my child should not be allowed to attend cc.

    My son was born early and quite malnurished. He looked bizare and unhealthy to say the least, in any case, my understanding is that a childs immune system is something that develops at a staggering rate during the first 6-12months.
    I chose to give him vit k, but no other vaccinations at birth.

    As he grew, his health improved. I had previously held fears that his body was fighting so hard to just put on weight, that it would struggle with being bombarded with vaxs. He already had an imature immune system. All newborns do!
    If we as adults get sick when we are run down abd tired, what do we expect of babies? So i delayed, and in the meantime he started to get sick. He started having ear infections. Continual agonising ear infections. He would cough and was in regular pain. Teething stopped as his body was so consumed with trying to cope with his ears.
    When he hit one year old I thought about vaxing, but was concerned due to these recurrent infections. My dr confirmed and suggested we wait 'a little bit'. Well that little bit was quite some time.

    He has had two operations. Grommets inserted twice, adenoids removed twice, and tonsils removed once. He no longer stops breathing at night and no longer has continual infections. Teething has recommenced at just over 2 years old, and he's now catching up on the vax schedule a few selected vaxs at a time.

    I have a developed stepped plan with my dr so that my sons body can better cope with each of the vaccinations, since no matter what side of the vax fence you sit on, we all agree that vaccinations are designed to stimulate the bodies immune response/system.

    Through all of these health concerns and issues I became a single mum. I had to work in order to put food on the table and a roof over our heads. My son could not be vaccinated when i moved out due to his health.

    Would you have told me that i could not use childcare? That I could not work and provide the basics (& phi- thank goodness i work for a fund and had subsidised phi) for my son? Would you have kicked him out of the nursery because of non-contageous infections and his resulting lack of vaccinations?

    Btw he is almost entirely up to date, because i also think vaccination is a wonderful advancement in technology. It does have the potential to save and improve quality of life for thousands. But i still did not vaccinate my nursery aged child, and I STILL would not vaccinate again if i were to have another.

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    Please don't think that I'm saying that children who aren't vaccinated don't deserve a spot in daycare, I am just merely shocked that with all the information and statics that people are still choosing not to be vaccinated.

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    But are my reasons for not vaccinating valid? would you need everyone to give you a detailed reason as to how they came to thier (required) concientious (sp? Hate that word lol) objection form?

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    don't be sorry Alimia, you will find there are a number of posters on here that do not agree with vaccination but IRL there are very few that actually choose not to vaccinate.

    I agree with your sentiment & would definitely feel uncomfortable leaving my child in daycare with children that were not vaccinated. Those that are not vaccinated (adults included) are putting others at risk. Child care settings are particularly vulnerable due to the close proximity with which children play in & the lack of hygiene they demonstrate.

    There is so much information out there for people about the safety of vaccines but many people just don't know where to find it or who to trust. Essentially, the risks of not vaccinating far outweigh those of vaccinating & there is no valid scientific evidence to the contrary no matter what anyone on here tells you. In all the years of posting on here I have provided endless amounts of empirical evidence & have never seen one study that justifies someone not vaccinating their child (except in rare cases of contraindication) ….but some people choose to believe sources that are not credible & because they do not have a scientific background they are forced to trust the information they are given even if it is of bad quality.

    This argument will always be a difficult one because it is not something that most people base on real science, & instead they base on their own experiences & feelings about the topic which is incredibly unreliable. In most cases people just trust their medical sources such as doctors but there are parents that decide to go on a journey of discovery themselves but are not equipped with the skills to understand & evaluate true scientific studies & that can only result in risky outcomes. That is where the real danger lies in my opinion.

    But just know that there are other parents that feel the same way you do, & it's ok to share your opinion even if others are upset by it.
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    It's not about not voicibg an opinion or having one that differs. Its about voicing your concerns in a way that isn't putting others down.

    I personally can't fathem giving a healthy baby hep b shot at birth, but I'm not going to call those that do uneducated or lacking compassion...

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    At no stage did I criticize anyone for not vaccinating their children, I merly just don't want my child around people that don't. Nor do I care for their reasoning behind choosing not too. You are putting words in my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boobycino View Post
    Yep - I worked in Childcare without up to date immunisations. I didn't even think of it & it was never brought up.

    I'll be getting a WC Vax though when baby girl comes. It mustn't have been so prevalent 3 years ago as I don't even remember it being mentioned.
    It was rampant in our area when M was born, maybe it is different in specific areas, but we were all advised to get boosters (free) including grandparents etc.

    OT, I'm almost up to date with my Vax, but in schools and childcare it isn't a requirement for staff, just a recommendation.


 
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