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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostysmum View Post
    I'd rather be able to afford my own home paying a lower tax than to fund other people who are already sitting in their houses put up solar panels.

    The problem with all these rebates and incentives is that not everybody wants it, but the government is making everyone pay for it regardless. Even people and families who can't afford PHI have to fund the rebates for those who can.
    I can well assure you that people on lower income earners are not funding rebates for higher income earners.

    When you compare someone on $50k a year is paying about $9100 in tax, whereas someone on $250k a year is paying $90k a year in tax

    Who is subsidising who???

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Who is subsidising who???
    Big business is subsidizing everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    I can well assure you that people on lower income earners are not funding rebates for higher income earners.

    When you compare someone on $50k a year is paying about $9100 in tax, whereas someone on $250k a year is paying $90k a year in tax

    Who is subsidising who???
    Not to mention they are far more likely to use private health, private education, not use public transport etc.

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    I am sorry but if I earned what you did I would not care, I did not care I earned $70000 and we CHOSE not to claim anything. I know you may see it as unfair but your income is to high to complain, I recently started training and lost half my wage to daycare, allowed bugger all benefit, I would be earning more being at home on benefits! I would LOVE to be in a postion where I did not NEED assistance. People just need to live within their means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pina Colada View Post
    Not to mention they are far more likely to use private health, private education, not use public transport etc.
    tell that the people around me most use private education and shock horror have CARS no idea about private health. They are low to middle income around my suburb but at the end of my Terrace we have mansions and funnily enough they go to the local state school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairyflossfairy View Post
    I am sorry but if I earned what you did I would not care, I did not care I earned $70000 and we CHOSE not to claim anything. I know you may see it as unfair but your income is to high to complain, I recently started training and lost half my wage to daycare, allowed bugger all benefit, I would be earning more being at home on benefits! I would LOVE to be in a postion where I did not NEED assistance. People just need to live within their means.
    Not sure who this is directed at - not sure who's income you are saying is too high to complain

    You are quite correct that people need to live within their means. No one here has said they shouldn't.

    The figure I quoted as how much tax a person earning 250k pays was not reflective of my income - far from it.

    As I've said - I'm not even sure if this will affect me or not.

    However, with regards to the people who it definitely will affect - the complaint seems to be with the fact that this is like another tax rise for higher income earners.

    If you do pay private health insurance - you pay more, if you choose not to have private health insurance - you pay more medicare levy surcharge.

    It just seems to be another thing in the way of extra costs incurred.

    I will eat my hat if the Carbon tax ends up with people being ahead with lower income earners receiving rebates. In years to come the rebates will not be able to be sustained.

    How much will the lower to middle income earners be told it's alright to complain - it was just a rebate to help you in the beginning? Meanwhile the higher income earners won't complain about cuts to rebates for the Carbon tax as they never received any in the first place - so they just have to "suck it up" and not complain as they are earning more money in the first place.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fairyflossfairy View Post
    tell that the people around me most use private education and shock horror have CARS no idea about private health. They are low to middle income around my suburb but at the end of my Terrace we have mansions and funnily enough they go to the local state school.
    What Pina colada was suggesting was that the higher income earners are more likely to utilise private health - which is the whole point - they are less likely to utilise the public tax payer funded health system (same for the other tax payer funded systems (education and transport) that she was talking about. So less cost to the tax system while paying higher taxes - it was in response to another pp saying that lower to middle income earners are subsidising higher income earners with the rebate.

    Not that others who are lower to middle income earners don't send their kids to private school, do use public transport (which is highly subsidised) or pay for private health.


 

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