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    Default Pre-dawn waking 4yo & 18mo, HELP PLEASE! What do we do?

    Sorry this is so long. Its the desperate rambling of a tired woman at 5.15am! Some background: My almost-4-year old used to be a great sleeper, until the baby was 6mo, then he started night waking. The baby has always been a terrible sleeper, but has finally started sleeping well about three months ago, although he still starts his day (and hence mine too) at 5am every morning. Now it's the 4yr old who wakes every night at 4am. He comes into our room saying "I need you". He wants a drink then we take him back to bed and cuddle him or sit next to him until he goes back to sleep. His "stomping" out and back into the room wakes his brother 90% of the time, so then we have two awake to deal with at 4am and an hour later the baby is up. The almost-4 year old isn't toilet trained, though is getting there and will often sit on the toilet during the day. I have wondered if he wakes because he needs to go to the toilet (sometimes at 3am his nappy is dry) but he refuses to sit on the toilet and starts whining loudly if I try to make him. His brother is often still asleep at this point so I don't push it, but we have taken his water bottle to the bathroom as he was drinking all night and flooding out of his nappy. Now if he wants a drink he has to ask us (he can't open the bathroom door) and I usually change his nappy (quick pull-up change in bathroom) while he has a drink. Then he goes back into bed, making enough noise to wake his brother and we have to resettle them both. As I write this it's 5am. The baby hasn't resettled. My partner is in there but I can still hear him on and off. So that's probably the end of the night for us. The 4 yr old will go back to sleep until 7 or 8 but me and the baby are up now and it's still an hour and a half before the sun comes up. I'm sooo tired and sick of getting up in the night and starting the day so ridiculously early. We had Tresillian here when bub was 12 mo. Like I said his sleep has improved a lot (he was waking every hour or so to feed then) but I didn't like their "leave them be while they cry" methods. I briefly stopped feeding him to sleep at their advice but have since gone back to that and he still sleeps, except the early morning starts. I rang Karitane and they basically said let them "work it out" (ie: cry it out?) themselves. That won't work though. If we don't go in the 4yr old will come to us and complain that the baby is crying and needs us. Any suggestions please? How do we stop the 4 yr old getting up at 4am? How do we get the 18mo to sleep beyond 5am? I would dearly love it if everyone could sleep until 6am...

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    I'm so sorry, I can't help either but just want you to know the same things happening here at my place every morning

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    Thanks Babushka! Nice to know I'm not alone. Perhaps someone has some suggestions for both of us...

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    No advice, but we too are up at 5am every day with DD1 and some mornings its both DD1 and DD2! I don't care what anyone says I will NEVER get used to early starts! DH leaves at 515 for work, so its all me, LOL! Big hugs, I truly can sympathise with you!

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    Anyone got any advice for us? Please!

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    Is it because my post was too long or is there just no solution to this problem?

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    Lulu, I don't know either!

    Could they be cold? Is their body clock now set at that time? I swear, in cue when 4:30 rolls around my DD is up... :/

    I'm over it - this Started with the seasons change in September and I honestly thought a month later of adjustments (we blocked out all our room so not one ray of light could possibly shine through) but it made no difference...

    I don't know what else to do...

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    Mine might be bad advice, but if my 18mo DS wakes before 6:30, I give him a bottle (bad I know...) and that's puts him back to sleep every time.... Sorry I don't have more practical help!

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    Can you take the four year old to the toilet around 10-11 at night? we do that with my daughter and she sleeps thru - if we don't sometimes she wets or sometimes she awakes to go to toilet. Maybe he is waking for toilet, or if wetting through his nappy because it gets cold?

    I think once you get one of the children sorted the other will sleep better too - my son (2) often wakes my daughter (4) at 6, so she has learnt to sort of sleep walk herself into our bed pretty much every morning around 5.30 so she isn't woken til 7. Son wakes at 6 but is happy singing and talking and reading in his cot til 6.45-7 most mornings.


 

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