Hope this helps
Hope this helps
Hey op. Sounds like you could use some hugs
I think you need to break that feed-to-sleep association, it's very powerful. My DS was shocking for it, and would wake all night looking for booby and of course refuse to sleep without it.
Have you read the No Cry Sleep Solution? It's a good place to start I think. What worked for me was not letting DS actually fall asleep on the boob, and rocking him till asleep after a feed. Then I got to being able to put him down sleepy but awake but that's as far as I've got. He's improved a lot, but still wakes overnight.
As for his routine, he is all over the place at the moment as I think he's moving from 2 sleeps to 1. But bedtime routine is similar to yours and Decemberbubba's - one thing I've found that helps is once we go into the bedroom for boob and bed that's it, we don't give up until he's asleep.
Another BIG advantage of breaking the feed-to-sleep association is your DH will be able to settle him. Trust me, it's great to go to bed early and know your DH can do the night wakes until he goes to bed.
Thanks everyone for your responses.
Any suggestions how to get him to not feed to sleep? That's the biggest struggle for us. DH finally managed to get him to sleep tonight, lying with him on our bed. He's had a few wins over the last month or two, but mostly he just screams with DH.
Tell me what an overtired toddler looks like. Like I said, we had this same battle with DS1 for over a year, where he just couldn't get to sleep at night and when we ditched the day sleep at 26 months he slept like a dream.
Have posted in your other thread re feed to sleep but wanted to add that routine in terms of waking up, day sleep, dinner and bedtime for me where the big ones, DD was flexible with snacks and lunch but our day went:
7am up and breakfast (or BF then breakfast a bit later)
12.00 bottle/boob and bed
6.50 Bed and bottle/boob
We don't read books at night at the moment as it sent her a bit nutso so we do it during the day.
I changed when i fed ds during the day. Instead of feeding him before a nap i fed him when he woke up and gave him some morning/afternoon tea before a nap. He was a bit upset at first but down got the hang of it.
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I failed again. He woke up three hours later and I gave in a am feeding him back to sleep. DH hadn't come to bed yet because he was still working, and has to get up to go to work tomorrow and after listening to DS scream with him for Twenty minutes I couldn't handle it anymore. We have tried fixing this every school holidays since the middle of last year while DH has been home and ended up giving up because i get suck of the screaming if he doesn't feed.
My DS1 was also the worst sleeper. Napping only during the day and waking overnight. I struggled with not feeding to sleep overnight but had to give in for ky in sanity.
Have you thought of sleep school? it worked well for us. Im now hoping DS2 won't give me as much grief!!
I replied to your other thread about feeding to sleep as well, but just wanted to say hang in there! Keep up with the bedtime routine, even though it seems like it's not working. When I started DS's bedtime routine it took a few weeks for him to realise getting into his sleeping bag meant sleep time - he would scream the house down when the sleeping bag came out!
If you're pretty sure he's not overtired (mine is another bub who doesn't seem to need as much sleep as the 'norm'), just go with his tired signs and put him to bed then - if you try earlier and he really isn't tired you'll have twice the fight on your hands.
Dd is just over 2 and her routine has been the same since we bought her home except for the fact that she now has 1 day sleep rather than 3 for example. Our new bub is due in may and he will be slotted in to the same routine. Wake around 6:30am, brekky at 7:30, get ready for the day, tidy up the house, washing etc, morning tea at 9:30, if no shopping or errands we'll do constructive play or play outside, lunch at 11 then wind down for sleep at midday. Sleep 12-2, wake, have a snack then we'll go visiting or to the park or do some cooking together. Dinner at 5, bath at 6, snack now replaces a bottle at 6:30, then brush teeth at 6:45, book then bed at 7.
Just wanted to also add that routine will play a huge part in helping bub settle and sleep properly. But it has to be consistent. If it's not, then IMO bubs will have you wrapped around his little finger especially when it comes to sleep time. It will get better but be consistent.
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