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    Quote Originally Posted by wherewerewe91 View Post
    Currently in Queensland the following post-graduate (For RN's wishing to become RM's) are offered....
    Thanks for that info. I'm sure there are some women here who appreciate it

    Quote Originally Posted by wherewerewe91 View Post
    Personally I wouldn't be commencing a nursing/midwifery degree right now, not with all the cr@p that's going on with the lack of graduate positions in Australia etc. Nursing/Midwifery is definitely no longer a 'guaranteed employment' degree.
    Yeah, agree. It's actually a 'guaranteed way to be unemployed' with forecasts being 7 in 8 grads for nursing will not be able to gain a position and similar for midwifery (in 2014). The large surge that have been expected to retire aren't going to now. It's gotten so horrendous, mothers I know are even looking at sponsorship programs that will guarantee a grad program spot, however will reqire 3 years on and off of being away from family in exchange.

    Our course conveynor brought this up in our first lecture this year. She said govt are in the process of rectifying the lack of grad jobs, starting this year. Only...instead, after halving the amount last year, they have also halved it again this year and starting next year are removing the mid-year grad programs. Turned out there was some alarm from the uni about students looking at changing degrees becaue of the forecast so they had to say it to try and prevent that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkey face View Post
    As Hollywood said, nope. Duals have been scrapped at the majority of uni's and the few uni's that do have them will be scrapping them within the next few years. So have to choose either nursing or middy. If you really want middy, you can't even do nursing and then a post-grad in middy anymore. Although that is being reevaluated because there is a huge uproar of RN's wanting to be RN/RM without the 3 year degree (or as griffith has it, 2 year if it's a recently completed nursing degree) and at a high level of education (who wouldn't like a 'post-grad' added to their wall, even if it's the same content as an undergrad lol).
    The situation in Melbourne is very different to QLD. Monash has just scrapped their BMID and replaced it with the double degree and there are still places you can do Masters of Mid.

    1Babymama- If you want NICU or SCN, then nursing is the way to go. From what I believe you do your nursing, then some additional short study to specialise in the area. I believe Monash offer it part time- but I guess that depends on where you live in Vic.

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    Default Re: 2012 Nursing and Midwifery students chat

    I am waiting to hear about my postgrad mid application, should hear tomorrow. It's crazy, the process has been drawn out. I was told the were close to making an offer on Fridag, but still do not have my hopes up. It's not paid. Some are part of the employment model and this pos I am going for is not. Glad I did my RN, heaps of jobs here in Vic. Grad spots for mids not so much :/

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    wherewerewe91 -I concur! Our midwifery degree has been challenging too. It's definitely no 'walk-in-the-park' degree. Many sacrifices and always on prac or tied to the computer. I'm on the last stretch now though & looking forward to the end. I'm worried about jobs too but will keep

    How awful for you to have been ready to start a new job and to be told that it's no longer there! Are you in Brissy?
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    Wherewerewe91, I was getting a bit teary reading your post. That is horrible, what you have had to go through. Are you able to call around agencies and try to find work that way, and then impress hospitals once they have see your work ethics?

    I did not know that about Mater. Mater Private is where I am aiming for after this, as they have the perioperative/ED rotation for grads. I'm not even sure my uni does placement with them!

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    Wow, lots happening here lately!

    Huge congrats on the job offer RHJ!!!!! That sounds like a dream job from my perspective. I hope you really enjoy it

    I'll start with one of my pet topics lately, the old dual vs BMid issue!

    Quote Originally Posted by RHJ View Post
    The situation in Melbourne is very different to QLD. Monash has just scrapped their BMID and replaced it with the double degree and there are still places you can do Masters of Mid.
    I also agree that the talk going around from a few years ago, that the duals were being scrapped in favour of the stand-alone BMid, is not what is happening in reality. A couple of thoughts:

    * At an open day I attended recently, a midwifery lecturer who was very pro-dual degree said that the difference between the dual and the BMid was "employability vs philosophy". Ie: The dual graduates will always be more employable because of their extra skills. The dual degree program (at this particular uni at least) was designed with that as the focus. The BMid commenced because of the hard work of some very dedicated midwifery activitists (anyone seen the last copy of the ACM magazine with the story "Celebrating the BMid?"), and the premise of these stand-alone programs is all around the philosophy of wellness/normalcy focused care instead of treating pregnancy/childbirth as an illness to be "nursed". Totally commendable, but I sadly think this lecturer was right in that there have been issues translating that into practice in Australia.

    * The geographical reality of our country is such that there will always be women needing care, and hospitals caring for them, that are far removed from the major metropolitan areas. As such, there is less opportunity to specialise in the one area (midwifery!!) 24/7. It's all well and good to be a BMidder in the middle of Sydney, but if you're in a regional city/town, the harsh reality is that those doing the staffing need people who also have nursing skills. We will never be like the UK, where the population per square mile is so much higher. I think I've worded that really badly

    * There is a lot of anecdotal evidence around suggesting that there's now a glut of BMid grads. I don't know whether the unis themselves are thinking it, or whether they're getting a nudge from health service providers, but it seems a bit reckless to keep churning out more BMids when their chances of employment don't seem great - so I do wonder whether that is why we are seeing the duals (and Post Grad Dips) starting to make a bit of a comeback?

    * I think the talk from the last few years of phasing out the duals, pushing the BMid etc, has come largely from the same midwifery advocates. I totally appreciate what they want to achieve (I believe a model like the UK and NZ, where midwives are more autonomous, a profession in their own right and very distinct from nursing. I admire this a lot and really hope that Australia gets there). However, I don't think we're here just yet and for several different reasons (the geographical factor I raised above, for one), we may never end up in that model. Although my heart is wanting to do the BMid, my head is telling me that at this point in time, I could very well be better off doing the dual.

    * Did you know that you can go to the ANMC website and see for yourself when programs have been accredited and are due for reaccreditation?

    There have been some rather scary and sad stories on this thread recently (wherewerewe, how is the job hunt going?), and I really feel for those who have finished and found the job market a total nightmare. And I feel for those about to finish in this climate, wondering whether they'll be finding a job after the years of work getting through uni.

    The warnings from some of the ladies are probably something we all need to hear before plunging into a degree, and I really appreciate you taking the time to write them for us. At this point I am going to be very foolhardy and plow ahead with starting in 2013 (application is in, very happy with my rank so 99% sure I'll end up with a place somewhere).

    Anyway, this has been such a huge essay, so I'll step off my soapbox now. I'm very happy to keep debating this stuff if anyone cares to though

    Good luck to everyone finishing their course and doing job apps, those still in the thick of their degrees, those of us gearing up to start, and those who are still contemplating their path in light of recent comments in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wherewerewe91 View Post

    Didnt want anyone to feel sorry for me, just wanted to share my experience. A lot of people think midwifery is all about cuddling babies and rainbow lollipops - whilst a lot of my experiences have ended with happy babies I've spent a lot of time coming home in tears, stressing over cr@p ctg's and management of patients, a lot of paperwork, not being able to spend enough time with women and finding out that this happy with woman, everything natural culture they promoted at university was not the case the majority ofnthe time in the real world.
    Thank you for sharing your experience, and I too really feel for you. I for one really appreciate hearing the good, bad and ugly of training to become a midwife. I hope you get some good news on the job front really soon

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    I agree parklander. The thing is it is a 3 year cycle (or 4 year for double degree) so what the climate is like when you start the degree may be totally different to the reality when you finish. When I started there was NO issue getting a job, and no expectation of there ever being a problem getting one. And here we are, with many of us likely to be left high and dry.

    Wherewewere91- I hope you are able to find a job. your situation reminds me slightly of one that was seen here this year. Some of the girls got an offer for a hospital grad program and accepted them. They were told 1 week before they started that there was no longer a grad position at that hospital for them! One week! Anyway they thankfully found jobs at other hospitals, then a few months ago the original hospital that they had the grad position at shut down. So in the end they were very lucky, and are loving their experience at their new hospitals. Fingers crossed that you find the same experience and are offered somewhere soon.

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    For those that are finding themselves high and dry after completing a degree, have you considered doing a masters of Audiology? Aging population means there is currently a huge need. However, audiology isn't just about the elderly. There is also the baby hearing tests they all get. So you would be able to work in a hospital and work with babies still and be able to get to know HR, managers ect so they could more easily hire you for a midwifery position? I've been told that is the secret for nursing/midwifery grad spots- know the staff at the hospital you are applying to. Be memorable. Get a job with them prior to graduation.

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    morning hubbers,

    I am trying to do my application for Bach Midwifery at Uni Canberra. I have written the 4 questions and added them into dot points, however, i now need to write these into sentences and refer to the ones that are most appropriate.

    Has anyone applied to the UC (Canberra) and have any tips for me as a mature age student?
    I am currently doing the prep course due to complete that in a few weeks, i was told the convener only takes 35 applicants but usually gets approx 100 applications through. I want to do this course SO SO SO SO badly!

    Any help would be greatly appreciated
    TIA xx


 

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