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    Quote Originally Posted by BerylsMum View Post
    at my old church it was in a pool and involved a 2 week course and a contract with God/church.
    this involved tithing and evangelising.
    its a big assumption to say its just water on the head.
    Not all churches are the same.
    "A contract with God" - doesn't have much meaning if you don't think that God exists.

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    it does if my child
    has to tithe and evangelise.
    to me its akin to
    brainwashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerylsMum View Post
    it does if my child
    has to tithe and evangelise.
    to me its akin to
    brainwashing.
    Tithe? With what income?

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    In matters such as this, if parents don't agree then there is either compromise or veto. Our family law system encourages parents to compromise in the first instance BUT if they cannot, then veto usually rules should it come to a court since matters of religious observance cannot be objectively determined as being for or against the best interests of the child.

    Personally, I think it is unethical to inculcate any child with religious dogmas they cannot possibly understand or make a rational choice about. Religious observance should be a matter for consenting adults in private. Leave children out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    When the parents disagree, a decision should be made in the child's best interest. For a child that goes to a Christian school who WANTS to be baptised, how is it in the child's best interest to say no to them? I would imagine that the child would be upset at the fact that her father won't let her do such a thing. Surely, it would be less harmful to her if she is allowed to do something that both herself and her mum feel she should.
    Exactly.

    I don't agree with the decision but I guess we don't know the full story and the judge had to rule one way or the other.

    I would be furious if my ex tried to keep my children from our beliefs.
    Thankfully Im lucky I am not in that situation.

    People who are saying they would be upset that the child was Baptized well the mother has just as much right to be upset that the child isnt.

    Everyone's beliefs are different. It's just sad that these things end up in court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnC View Post
    Personally, I think it is unethical to inculcate any child with religious dogmas they cannot possibly understand or make a rational choice about. Religious observance should be a matter for consenting adults in private. Leave children out of it.
    So you are against all religious schools then? Including Islamic schools?

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    yep at my old church, the kids were told to tithe their pocket money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BerylsMum View Post
    yep at my old church, the kids were told to tithe their pocket money.
    I don't agree with that, but I think you will find that it wasn't compulsory. You should never have to do anything that you don't feel comfortable doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Why would you be livid? It's not like you would be able to tell.

    If you truly believe that a child should be allowed to make their own religious decision, then why would you want to stop a child who WANTS to be baptised? Or are they only entitled to make a decision about their religion if YOU agree with it?
    Yep. That's exactly what I meant.
    : /

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    So you are against all religious schools then? Including Islamic schools?
    Yep. I favour universal, secular public education as an ideal of a truly democratic society. I recognise this ideal is unlikely to be realised any time soon (or ever), but that shouldn't stop us striving towards it.

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