There are refugees in the world who are multi generational. Imagine having no home, no rights, no access to a real identity for generations. The horror some of these refugees experience in incomprehensible to most of us, the hopelessness and despair, must be unimaginable.
They really should keep waiting it out though.
Last edited by sockstealingpoltergeist; 18-12-2011 at 21:06.
http://www.alhr.asn.au/refugeekit/chapter_2.htmlchapter 2 - International Refugee Law
Rights of Refugees and asylum seekers
A person who is a refugee has a number of important rights under the Refugee Convention, including:
Article 31 of the Refugee Convention prohibits penalising asylum seekers based on the manner of their arrival into the country from which they are seeking protection.
- the right to seek asylum in a country outside their country of origin which has agreed to be bound by the Refugee Convention;
- the right not to be returned to the country where they have a well-founded fear of persecution;
- the right not to be discriminated against or penalised because they are a refugee;
- the right to equal access to the courts;
- freedom of religion and movement;
- the right to education and employment; and
- access to travel documents.
However, asylum seekers and refugees also have rights under other international agreements which are shared by the general population in countries party to these agreements. Simply complying with the rights outlined in the Refugee Convention does not satisfy a country’s duty to protect the general rights of asylum seekers and refugees under these other agreements.
These agreements, all of which Australia is a party to, include the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966), the Convention on the Rights of the Child (1989), and the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhumane and Degrading Treatment or Punishment (1984).
The point is:
1. It is dangerous to come by boat.
2. Australia can only help so many refugees each year (about 14000 at the moment).
3. Those that come by boat will only take spots available to others - probably those 'multi-generational' refugees that you mentioned.
4. If we can deter people taking a dangerous journey, it will save lives - whilst at the same time not altering the number of people Australia accepts.
I know the 'queue' is not orderly, I understand that. But I am of the opinion that those who are in most need would not be able to afford the $1000s for the boat trip, and I would much rather help those who are in the most dire need of our assistance.
What should they do?
Moreover compared to Europe we take very low number of refugees. How do you come to conclusion that we could take no more?
This fact sheet might be helpful
Did you read the legislation Father? It's good sock posted it after you asked for it hey
We are a small population comparatively. We can only do so much within our economic and environmental constraints. Our infrastructure is struggling as it is. Our population can only grow at a rate that we can absorb. And we can only support so many people (housing/medical/welfare payments).
It might sound harsh but that is unfortunately how the world works.
The Australia Migration Act 1958 says differently:
And what is a "Lawful Non-Citizen"?MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 14
Unlawful non-citizens (1) A non-citizen in the migration zone who is not a lawful non-citizen is an unlawful non-citizen.
(2) To avoid doubt, a non-citizen in the migration zone who, immediately before 1 September 1994, was an illegal entrant within the meaning of the Migration Act as in force then became, on that date, an unlawful non-citizen.
If they don't have a Visa, they are unlawful according to Australian law.MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 13
Lawful non-citizens (1) A non-citizen in the migration zone who holds a visa that is in effect is a lawful non-citizen.
(2) An allowed inhabitant of the Protected Zone who is in a protected area in connection with the performance of traditional activities is a lawful non-citizen.
Father there is a big myth that we are being swamped by boat people, the numbers are still very low, especially in comparison to other countries.
I believe our infastructure isn't very good for all Australians and needs huge improvements, we need to stop supporting big business and the richest Australians and put our money into public education, hospitals, housing and health etc
However refugees create employment, they create jobs and I read somewhere that refugees boost economies.
I just think that the government needs to do something to remove the incentive for people to jump on a boat and risk their lives. The people smuggling trade is disgusting (and illegal) and needs to be stopped.
The deaths needs to be stopped.
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