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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    OMG - economic refugees! It just gets better and better

    And clearly shows that you really don't care that there are people drowning IMO.
    Are you trying to tell me that 100% of the people coming on boats are genuine refugees? Wow! Maybe you should inform the department of immigration - here they are apparently wasting their time by checking if they are or not.

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    and all that the Lorax left here in this mess was a small pile of rocks with the one word...UNLESS
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    TPV were given to people who were already proven refugees, so it put them through the whole process again. Also, with the tpv, they had to reapply after a few years and if things improved in their homeland, they had to return there. There's a few other things too!
    But as far as I'm concerned - there's nothing wrong with the bolded bit. If they are genuine refugees - then surely they want to return to their homeland when things are safe and better

    as for the other bit - sure they have to be proven refugees to get a temporary protection visa - but I thought they enabled refugees to be moved out into the community quicker as they can be processed quicker (oh and they're a deterrent to the non-genuine refugees).

    Noone here is saying that genuine refugees shouldn't be accepted into Australia.

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    But if you left your country because it was being destroyed, everything you own is gone, the country is in ruins from war, you have nothing there and there is no prospect for work, why should they be able to start fresh here and then be sent back home to nothing? I think it's wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Are you trying to tell me that 100% of the people coming on boats are genuine refugees? Wow! Maybe you should inform the department of immigration - here they are apparently wasting their time by checking if they are or not.

    No, about 90% are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    But if you left your country because it was being destroyed, everything you own is gone, the country is in ruins from war, you have nothing there and there is no prospect for work, why should they be able to start fresh here and then be sent back home to nothing? I think it's wrong.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    No, about 90% are.
    Not sure about your figures - but who are your other 10% if not genuine refugees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Not sure about your figures - but who are your other 10% if not genuine refugees?
    They are Not genuine - thought that was pretty obvious???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    They are Not genuine - thought that was pretty obvious???
    Why did you laugh at my 'economic migrant' comment then? Why did they travel here if they weren't refugees?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    But if you left your country because it was being destroyed, everything you own is gone, the country is in ruins from war, you have nothing there and there is no prospect for work, why should they be able to start fresh here and then be sent back home to nothing? I think it's wrong.
    Well. They have two choices. You go through the normal process and get accepted by Australia through the offshore application process where they would be granted permanent status - or, cut the corner and come to Australia by boat and only receive temporary status.
    This is the disincentive.

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    I believe the figure is closer to 97% of all boat people are genuine refugees. the other just often can't be proven one way or another.

    It is illegal for us to close our boarders to these people, so it shouldn't even be a debate.


 

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