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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Interesting numbers that you put out.
    Firstly, Howard introduced the 'Pacific Solution' in 2001 to combat the number of arrivals. So his 'vile' policies were not really in effect on that year. Quite convenient that you ignore 2002 (1 boat/1 arrival), 2003 (1 boat/53 arrivals), 2004 (1 boat/15 arrivals), 2005 (4 boats/11 arrivals), 2006 (6 boats/60 arrivals), 2007 (5 boats/148 arrivals). Why did you ignore all of those?

    2008. The policy is changed. Now lets have a look at the numbers.

    2008 (7 boats/161 arrivals), 2009 (60 boats/2727 arrivals),2010 (132 boats/6502 arrivals). That last year was very conveniently ignored by you also. Why? This year?

    Yes. They do care about our policy.
    This graph says it all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoatArrivals.gif
    If you know all of that from a source other than wiki you will also know why the numbers were so low in 2002, the govt moved the goal posts, asylum seekers landed on the closest possible island, thinking they were safe, but no the Howard Govt changed the exclusion zone, making those closer and safer islands a free ticket back to where they came from, and thus NOT part of our statistics.
    The recent rise has much less to do with policy than it does with world events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmyboys View Post
    The recent rise has much less to do with policy than it does with world events.
    The Labor government doesn't seem to think so.

    Can you tell me which world events have caused the dramatic rise in 2009?
    And maybe you can also explain the dramatic rise in the last month? 900 so far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    The Labor government doesn't seem to think so.

    Can you tell me which world events have caused the dramatic rise in 2009?
    And maybe you can also explain the dramatic rise in the last month? 900 so far!
    For one the increased violence and poverty in countries such as Afghanistan, fleeing a war zone not entirely of their own making.

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    The labor govt is unfortunately pandering to the right wing vote, or at least, the perception of one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmyboys View Post
    For one the increased violence and poverty in countries such as Afghanistan, fleeing a war zone not entirely of their own making.
    And what changed in Afghanistan between 2007 and 2008 which drastically changed the numbers?

    I'm after something a little bit more specific than a general comment like that. The spike was very marked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post
    The labor govt is unfortunately pandering to the right wing vote, or at least, the perception of one.


    Who is the Immigration Department 'pandering' to?
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/to...209-1onn8.html
    Last edited by Mod-pegasus; 18-12-2011 at 20:08.

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    and all that the Lorax left here in this mess was a small pile of rocks with the one word...UNLESS
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    Honest question - I get that onshore v offshore processing is a huge issue - which is continued to be bantered between both major parties, while the onshore processing centres become overcrowded and unfunctional, so I'm not sure where to go with that - but otherwise - a major difference between Howards policies and current was the issuing of TPV.

    Educate me - what's so wrong with TPV's - that it wouldn't enhance and speed up processing of refugees?

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    TPV were given to people who were already proven refugees, so it put them through the whole process again. Also, with the tpv, they had to reapply after a few years and if things improved in their homeland, they had to return there. There's a few other things too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    Honest question - I get that onshore v offshore processing is a huge issue - which is continued to be bantered between both major parties
    Both major parties now support offshore processing - thanks to the last Labor party conference. This is now bipartisan - with the exception of where to have the offshore facilities.

    I personally think TPVs are a great idea. It is a deterrent to the economic migrants who choose to come by boat, whilst at the same time giving those genuine refugees the protection that they need for as long as they need it.

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    OMG - economic refugees! It just gets better and better

    And clearly shows that you really don't care that there are people drowning IMO.


 
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