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    If Australia can take 14000 refugees with zero loss of life, surely this is more humane than taking 14000 refugees with a 560 deaths. (There is a 4% death rate with boat arrivals)
    In Afghanistan, a child has a 1 in 4 chance of being dead by 10.

    So to a mother, a 4% chance of dying on the way to a better life looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chew the Mintie View Post
    In Afghanistan, a child has a 1 in 4 chance of being dead by 10.

    So to a mother, a 4% chance of dying on the way to a better life looks good.
    And they jumped on a boat from Afghanistan? That sound like quite an accomplishment - considering that it is land-locked.

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    I don't think that is fair. This is an issue that should be discussed and debated - just because someone with a different point of view raises it doesn't mean it is invalid.

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    Some of these people are escaping from things we could never imagine, they have lived with poverty, violence and death but have still stayed, stayed and suffered and died, but a few can't stay any longer and they flee, they run for their lives and a leaky boat is a luxury. These are the people who arrive on our shores, who die in our seas and suffer in our detention centres. These are the people who are pushed.
    The people who are pulled more often than not arrive via our airports and just don't leave.
    In 2001 under Howard's vile policies we had 5516 arrivals via boat, in 2009 under labour it was 2750, so far this year ? 2000?. Policy will not change this, the people running do not care what our policy is because it will never be as bad as what they are running from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmyboys View Post
    Policy will not change this, the people running do not care what our policy is because it will never be as bad as what they are running from.
    Perfectly put.

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    I luvs you luvmyboys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmyboys View Post
    In 2001 under Howard's vile policies we had 5516 arrivals via boat, in 2009 under labour it was 2750, so far this year ? 2000?. Policy will not change this, the people running do not care what our policy is because it will never be as bad as what they are running from.
    Interesting numbers that you put out.
    Firstly, Howard introduced the 'Pacific Solution' in 2001 to combat the number of arrivals. So his 'vile' policies were not really in effect on that year. Quite convenient that you ignore 2002 (1 boat/1 arrival), 2003 (1 boat/53 arrivals), 2004 (1 boat/15 arrivals), 2005 (4 boats/11 arrivals), 2006 (6 boats/60 arrivals), 2007 (5 boats/148 arrivals). Why did you ignore all of those?

    2008. The policy is changed. Now lets have a look at the numbers.

    2008 (7 boats/161 arrivals), 2009 (60 boats/2727 arrivals), 2010 (132 boats/6502 arrivals). That last year was very conveniently ignored by you also. Why? This year?

    Yes. They do care about our policy.
    This graph says it all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BoatArrivals.gif

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Whilst we continue to reward people who take the journey with a red carpet welcoming committee, more and more people will choose to take that risk.
    Are you serious? A red carpet??!!! Welcoming committee?

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    They are not putting the lives of innocent children at risk.
    I would think most people willing to put their kids on a boat to Australia are doing so in an attempt to save their child's life. They might feel that by waiting in the imaginary queue they are putting their children's life at risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    If Australia can take 14000 refugees with zero loss of life, surely this is more humane than taking 14000 refugees with a 560 deaths.
    I daresay a lot of people do die waiting in the imaginary queues.

    I definitely don't have the answer to this problem but i think its plain wrong to use these people's deaths for political gain.

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    I don't think wiki is reliable. According to the university of Canberra, in 2009 and 2010, over 168,000 immigrants arrived in Australia, with only 5000 of those arriving by boat.
    Last edited by BigRedV; 18-12-2011 at 18:02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I don't think wiki is reliable. According to the university of Canberra, in 2009 and 2010, over 168,000 immigrants arrived in Australia, with only 5000 of those arriving by boat.
    If that is what you want to believe.

    The actual source is this:
    http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/b...atArrivals.htm

    But, for some reason, the website is not working. Feel free to check back on it later if you still doubt those numbers.


 
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