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    Inbetween -- what are you talking about??

    It states quite clearly - in teh same sentence in fact that the parents "relationship" and "living situation" were the reason for the refusal -- HOW are they not the same thing!??


    I haven't read anywhere as yet where the parents refused to witness teachings... Care to find that link for me please. (it's late - I can't be bothered searching)


    I back their vocal complaining - and again I will use my friend's case an an example -- why is SHE allowed to enrol her daughter in this school when she hasn't and doesn't live a life strictly adhering to the Catholic 'rules' ?

    Stepan Kerkyasharian was pointing out that this WOULD be a breach IF the exemption wasn't in place.
    Most of those exemptions are in place to benefit a group and aren't usually causing harm.

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    It states quite clearly - in teh same sentence in fact that the parents "relationship" and "living situation" were the reason for the refusal -- HOW are they not the same thing!??
    Living together is not considered a criteria for exclusion. Because many people of the same sex live together and that doesn't mean you're engaging in a sexual relationship. Having sex is. The parents were quite open about their sexual relationship and their desire to continue this and other elements in their lifestyle which were not sympathetic to the teachings of the Catholic Church. As such, it meant that the parents were not prepared to set an example of those teachings to their child. As one would expect, this is one of the requirements set by the Church.

    I don't know how to put it any simpler than this. You may wish to speak to a Catechist or a priest to get a deeper explanation. If I recall, there's another poster in here who works for CathEd so perhaps you could speak to them about selection criteria and enrolment policies of Catholic schools.

    I back their vocal complaining - and again I will use my friend's case an an example -- why is SHE allowed to enrol her daughter in this school when she hasn't and doesn't live a life strictly adhering to the Catholic 'rules' ?
    Again, you seem to be missing the point. Again, I point out that they have been offered an enrolment and yet they have chosen to refuse it but have continued to complain. And yes, I find that behaviour dubious. It suggests to me that there is another agenda at play.

    Most of those exemptions are in place to benefit a group and aren't usually causing harm.
    Well that depends on your definition of harm. I've witnessed good candidates miss out on an apprenticeship to other people who met the exclusive criteria who subsequently spent their tenure not showing up, not completing competencies and effectively denying a place to people who could. There are also organisations who have female quotas that I feel are counter productive. The list goes on. But that's life. And life doesn't always appear fair.

    I've pretty much said my piece on this issue so I hope I have explained my comments clearly enough for you.
    Last edited by InBetween; 20-12-2011 at 22:29. Reason: sentence added for clarity

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    My point is that my friend - and many other people at that school use contraception ..a well known 'No No'

    Yet they are allowed to enrol their children.


    They are hiding behind their religion to pick and choose who they accept.
    It is wrong.
    Hope I have made that clear for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    I think the point is, if a school is willing to accept govt money (heathens taxpayer money - inc from homosexuals) - they should have to abide by the same anti-discrimination laws.
    Just quoting this... Think it is a GREAT point!


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    All religions pick and choose what they follow adn what they don't, then all churches within that religion pick and choose again....and all schools within that religion also pick and choose. That's life! You may think it's hypocritical, and I'd agree with you but it's neither right nor wrong, it's just how it is. If you don't want to be a part of it then don't be a part of it, if you DO want to be a part of it, then don't complain if you get caught up in the hypocracy of it all! I'm a christian and I hate religion! Even Christ rebuked the religious people of the day for their hypocracy....it's nothing new! I refuse to take part, that's how I protest against it.

    To me, taking part in a hypocritical religion then not liking it's hypocracy defies logic. It's almost an oxymoron of sorts.

    Religion is always going to be there...nothing we can do about it other than accept it!

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    I have been following this thread and I seriously cant see the point of arguing. If they dont want to accept their child being taught the Catholic principles and sticking to them, than why would you want to send her there?
    Is Catholic education really that much better than public? If it really is, than just accept the rules. I guess it really comes down to, are you willing to give up your sexual orientation for the benefit of your childs education? If not, than dont complain and start her on a public school.
    If so, let the Catholic school know. I doubt anyone will give up their relationship in this situation.

    Just accept that every school out there, and every church and every religion and every government is allowed to set their own rules. Take it or leave it.
    I know lots of my Dutch friends go holidaying in Turkey which is a muslim country. They know that if they drink alcohol in public, they're screwed. So to keep the peace and to respect Islam, people just dont drink in public.
    Turkey wants to be come a part of the EU. Yet there are a looooot of changes to be made by Turkey if they want to make a successful bid on becoming accepted. One of those changes is how they treat women in their country. If they do not treat them better, they wont be allowed into the EU.
    It is the right of the EU to decide who can and who cant join. If the country doesn't want to accept western laws and protocols, than they cant join. Simple. Its not discrimination against Islam. Its just the way it is.

    This is not discrimination against homosexuality, its just the way it is. Its the Catholics right to set up their own rules and protocols.
    People who are severely drunk in public will get arrested by police. Is this discrimination against alcoholics? No. Its just the way this country and government works.

    I really don't see why this argument is continuing. They have to just take it or leave it and move on. Public education isn't that bad these days anyway. My son will be more successful at a public school than at a Catholic school, because there will be more funding available to get him the extra help he needs in the public system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InBetween View Post
    the parents were reportedly not willing to witness the teachings of the church to their daughter (for example, that homosexuality is not an accepted lifestyle or practice by the Catholic Church) and it was on that basis, among others, the enrolment was refused. To Catholics, this is an important tenet. If you don't wish to follow their tenets, then why seek inclusion
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    I agree 100 %

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    I was sent to a catholic school for a few years in primary school and I hated it, like Des said I did feel like it was being shoved down my throat and I would never send my non religious children to a religious school because of it.

    I can see both sides of the story but I don't think they should be able to discriminate based on the parents sexuality.

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    ...accept the spread of Homophobia being taught to young children - Got it. Cheers - I can move on now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveInTheBed View Post
    ...accept the spread of Homophobia being taught to young children - Got it. Cheers - I can move on now.
    This.


 

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