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    ... your criticism of gift giving is misplaced, God gave the world his son and his son gave us the Atonement. Part of Christmas is the 'spirit of giving'.

    Either way, you're Anglican, do you think Catholics get annoyed with you for changing their religion? It's all the same.

    Your festive season is what you make it. We have a nativity, birth of Christ story books for bed time and we often speak of what Christs Mass is to us as Christians. We don't do Santa either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandyelle View Post
    we are a family of anclican christians and i want to teach my kids the true meaning of christmas and not that some pretend person breaks into the house on christmas eve to give them gifts ,in my opinion the true meaning of christmas has been belittled by non religious people making it to be something its not but non religious people dont celebrate hanukkah and turn it into something else , they dont celebrate eid and turn it into something else so why christmas, so how can i teach my kids the true meaning when the true meaning is near enough extinct and taken over by the santa clause
    Forgive me but this is a bit much. The TRUE meaning of Christmas has been adapted and changed so many times over the years and is originally pagan. I know some Christians who don't celebrate it for that very reason. By all means ask about how to teach your children about the Christian spirit of Christmas but the rest quite honestly I find rude. If you want to talk about celebrations being taken over I have a fair few that immediately come to mind and most now wear Christian labels.

    If you want to teach your children about your beliefs live them and show them by example, talk to your priest/ pastor many churches run groups for children to help parents guide them. Talk to them read stories (very effective teaching method) and answer questions as they come up

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    Yep what PP said. Your *Christian Christmas* lands on the pagan summer solstice celebration, something the churches did ages ago to help *convert* the pagans to christianity.

    If you want to remove Santa from your kids then just do it. Not sure what the point of the OP was? Or was it to whinge about how non-Christians like myself celebrate Xmas when I shouldn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreadlockfairy View Post
    Not sure what the point of the OP was? Or was it to whinge about how non-Christians like myself celebrate Xmas when I shouldn't?
    That is how I took it.

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    Id like to say to OP that I am offended how you generalise that 'Non religious people have be-littled christmas' - How dare you.
    I, am not religious, I have my own thoughts on life, I have no issues with religious people and I understand that people have different views on religious topics, christmas, god etc etc. Each to their own and I am happy with that.
    I do however, find it strange that you think ONLY non-religious people have change what Christmas is to you, into what alot of the population consider christmas now.
    If Christmas to you has no santa in it - then teach your children otherwise. Yes they will know who/what santa is due to the commercial side but if you strongly want to teach them what you believe, then this wont be an issue.

    So please dont say I have be-littled your view on Christmas as maybe you have be-little others view on Christmas too.....

    Im sorry if that sounds nasty, but you clearly have strong views on this topic (and thats perfectly fine) but dont forget not all people have the same view as you, so dont stick everyone else besides yourself in a different basket....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreadlockfairy View Post
    Yep what PP said. Your *Christian Christmas* lands on the pagan summer solstice celebration, something the churches did ages ago to help *convert* the pagans to christianity.

    If you want to remove Santa from your kids then just do it. Not sure what the point of the OP was? Or was it to whinge about how non-Christians like myself celebrate Xmas when I shouldn't?
    Thank-you. I had a post which i deleted as I was probably a little bit too emotional...
    I'm over hearing how Christmas is when Jesus' was born... Umm no, the Roman Church took the day off the pagans, and to ensure they didn't loose people from removing the holiday they decided to do this...

    Quote Originally Posted by misspumpkin View Post
    Id like to say to OP that I am offended how you generalise that 'Non religious people have be-littled christmas' - How dare you.
    I, am not religious, I have my own thoughts on life, I have no issues with religious people and I understand that people have different views on religious topics, christmas, god etc etc. Each to their own and I am happy with that.
    I do however, find it strange that you think ONLY non-religious people have change what Christmas is to you, into what alot of the population consider christmas now.
    If Christmas to you has no santa in it - then teach your children otherwise. Yes they will know who/what santa is due to the commercial side but if you strongly want to teach them what you believe, then this wont be an issue.

    So please dont say I have be-littled your view on Christmas as maybe you have be-little others view on Christmas too.....

    Im sorry if that sounds nasty, but you clearly have strong views on this topic (and thats perfectly fine) but dont forget not all people have the same view as you, so dont stick everyone else besides yourself in a different basket....

    you've worded this a heck of a lot better than I could...

    I'm Christian, but I do not celebrate Jesus's birth on this day.
    If anything, celebrate in August or September... But no...

    To me, this thread seems like a good ol-bashing at those who aren't Anglican...

    Don't want your kid to celebrate Santa? Then DON'T but don't you dare have a go at other people...

    This whole thread has me sad at the way people are so willing to be-little others...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dandyelle View Post
    i think some of you have misunderstood what i am trying to say, Christs mass is a religious celebration meant for Christians who worship jesus Christ , but over the years non religious people who dont believe in god or Jesus have turned Christmas into something its not ....and yes i do know the story of st nick he was a kind Samaritan who made toys for some children, but can you please tell me how st nick has anything to do with Christs mass .....he doesn't, Santa and father Christmas are gimmicks that have been created to help boost the economy every present that's purchased boosts the economy , my point of all of this is im angry at the fact non religious people have turned Christmas into something its not
    saint nicholas was a religios man himself and was told by jesus to give away his inheritance. i will put a link in so you can read it for your self. http://www.stnicholascenter.org/page...s-st-nicholas/ have a read.

    it is fine for you to tell your kids what you want, i dont really care, why? because its not my place to tell you how to raise your kids or tell you what you should be teaching them. tell your kids about jesus or whatever but dont expect others to do the same because not everyone thinks the same way as you or believes the same things. non christians have the right to have a nice day of gift giving and have a feast with familly just the same as you do.

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    I think that non-religious people celebrating christmas can only be a good thing. It's a time when people become more involved in charities by means of donations to the needy, where communities come together and light candles and sing carols. Where families get together, for some all be it just this one day a year, and give thanks that we have one another.
    And importantly, a time where we can celebrate children and their innocence in a world where so much can be dark and unpleasant, Christmas is a bright star for many....
    I don't know much about religion at all, but surly that's all something to be encouraged?

    As for what to tell your kids about Santa not being real, a lot of kids believe in monsters too, but I'll find it easy to teach DS they don't exist

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    I just wanted to add that it is naive to assume that there are not many people who consider themselves to be devout christians, and yes even anglicans amongst the soulless hoards indulging in the 0rgy of spending that is happening at the moment.

    Like others have said, I find it offensive that you seem to want to shut people out of christmas because their reason for celebrating does not make the grade.

    I'm sorry if that is harsh but I have actually been stewing over this since reading the op.

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    Well I always maintain that christmas is a complete ripoff of the far older pagan celebration of Summer Solstice, it is well known Jesus was not born on December 25th.

    I totally agree about the commercialisation of christmas anyway, it is horrendous!

    I make sure I always include the true meaning of the holiday to my children, as an ancient pagan celebration of the longest day of the year.
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