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    i think some of you have misunderstood what i am trying to say, Christs mass is a religious celebration meant for Christians who worship jesus Christ , but over the years non religious people who dont believe in god or Jesus have turned Christmas into something its not ....and yes i do know the story of st nick he was a kind Samaritan who made toys for some children, but can you please tell me how st nick has anything to do with Christs mass .....he doesn't, Santa and father Christmas are gimmicks that have been created to help boost the economy every present that's purchased boosts the economy , my point of all of this is im angry at the fact non religious people have turned Christmas into something its not

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrsdj1234 View Post
    OP, teach your children what you want them to get out of Xmas.

    Personally, I don't agree with the religious aspect of Xmas, as my own beliefs are more in line with pagan beliefs. But I don't begrudge anyone to celebrate how they want.

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    how can you not agree with the religious aspect of christmas it is jesus christs mass,it is religious

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    Are you aware that the Christians hijacked Winter Solstice to convert the heathens?

    If you wanted to have a rant about us non religious folk, perhaps you could have been clearer in your opening post and perhaps you should have posted it to the appropriate area.

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    You can't change the way other people celebrate Christmas, but you can affect how YOU celebrate it.

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    But what people do on their own christmas is up to them.
    I dont see why you find it so offensive.

    We live in a country that shuts down at christmas and easter..would you like all the non christians to just sit in their houses and twiddle their thumbs?

    I grew up catholic and was told that we got presents to celebrate Jesus' birthday.
    But just dont have Santa, if you dont want him.
    Its not that hard.
    We have told our kids that different people have different beliefs and that there is no belief more important than the other.

    I am not religious but the kids believe in God. We teach them that christmas is love, compassion and a time to remember how important family is.

    Most people I know, do the same. Christians, atheists etc etc..

    i think you are the one concentrating on the negative aspect when there is so much positive.

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    As a Christian, I believe everyone should be able to enjoy Christmas celebrations whether they believe in Jesus or not.

    Jesus stands for love and acceptance...

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    The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in the village of Patara. At the time the area was Greek and is now on the southern coast of Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.
    Under the Roman Emperor Diocletian, who ruthlessly persecuted Christians, Bishop Nicholas suffered for his faith, was exiled and imprisoned. The prisons were so full of bishops, priests, and deacons, there was no room for the real criminals—murderers, thieves and robbers. After his release, Nicholas attended the Council of Nicaea in AD 325. He died December 6, AD 343 in Myra and was buried in his cathedral church, where a unique relic, called manna, formed in his grave. This liquid substance, said to have healing powers, fostered the growth of devotion to Nicholas. The anniversary of his death became a day of celebration, St. Nicholas Day, December 6th (December 19 on the Julian Calendar).
    Through the centuries many stories and legends have been told of St. Nicholas' life and deeds. These accounts help us understand his extraordinary character and why he is so beloved and revered as protector and helper of those in need.
    One story tells of a poor man with three daughters. In those days a young woman's father had to offer prospective husbands something of value—a dowry. The larger the dowry, the better the chance that a young woman would find a good husband. Without a dowry, a woman was unlikely to marry. This poor man's daughters, without dowries, were therefore destined to be sold into slavery. Mysteriously, on three different occasions, a bag of gold appeared in their home-providing the needed dowries. The bags of gold, tossed through an open window, are said to have landed in stockings or shoes left before the fire to dry. This led to the custom of children hanging stockings or putting out shoes, eagerly awaiting gifts from Saint Nicholas. Sometimes the story is told with gold balls instead of bags of gold. That is why three gold balls, sometimes represented as oranges, are one of the symbols for St. Nicholas. And so St. Nicholas is a gift-giver.
    One of the oldest stories showing St. Nicholas as a protector of children takes place long after his death. The townspeople of Myra were celebrating the good saint on the eve of his feast day when a band of Arab pirates from Crete came into the district. They stole treasures from the Church of Saint Nicholas to take away as booty. As they were leaving town, they snatched a young boy, Basilios, to make into a slave. The emir, or ruler, selected Basilios to be his personal cupbearer, as not knowing the language, Basilios would not understand what the king said to those around him. So, for the next year Basilios waited on the king, bringing his wine in a beautiful golden cup. For Basilios' parents, devastated at the loss of their only child, the year passed slowly, filled with grief. As the next St. Nicholas' feast day approached, Basilios' mother would not join in the festivity, as it was now a day of tragedy. However, she was persuaded to have a simple observance at home—with quiet prayers for Basilios' safekeeping. Meanwhile, as Basilios was fulfilling his tasks serving the emir, he was suddenly whisked up and away. St. Nicholas appeared to the terrified boy, blessed him, and set him down at his home back in Myra. Imagine the joy and wonderment when Basilios amazingly appeared before his parents, still holding the king's golden cup. This is the first story told of St. Nicholas protecting children—which became his primary role in the West.

    Read more..
    http://www.stnicholascenter.org/page...s-st-nicholas/

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    http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/origin-of-santa/

    Here is some info on how it began and the website also has the stories of st nick. St Nick is the patron saint of children, but I'm sure you know that already.

    I'm sorry you feel that people don't have the right to celebrate Christmas how they like, but don't let that ruin what Christmas means to you and your family.

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    Christ said, “But in vain they do worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Matt. 15:9). Christmas is not a command of God—it is a tradition of men. Christ continued, “Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition” (Mark 7:9). Every year, throughout the world, on December 25th, hundreds of millions do just that!
    We will see that God plainly commands, “Follow not the way of the heathen.” But most people do not fear God, and He allows them to make their own decisions. Human beings are free moral agents—free to obey or disobey God! But woe to those who ignore the plain Word of God!

    I think you should do some reading of the bible and also google the orgins of Christmas.

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    im sorry i don't mean to sound so negative about everything i just have alot of pressure over my head when it comes to Xmas, as im the granddaughter of an Anglican priest that is always giving me the big speech about xmas and how to teach it to my children and not to let them believe in santa , and so on and so forth , but how can i do that with all of the commercialism of santa and most kids dont know jesus is how xmas started they think its santa so when it comes to school they is bound to have some belief in santa


 

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