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    DL - he has indicated that he will stick to the Coalition's position from the last election. By describing it that way he is trying to wedge Gillard and highlight she has back flipped. Given the popular support for same sex marriage and a conscience vote the recess is more than likely to demonstrate to him that this isnt a wedge that will work.

    Abbott's leadership is by no means safe and the Party Room will do what it takes to win the next election. This issue could be the opportunity Turnbull has been waiting for

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    What was the Coalition's position?? Saying no to everything. No wait, that has been the Coalition's position during Gillard's time in leadership.

    I kind of think that this is quite a masterful move by Labor. Will the majority of gay people really care that Labor has backflipped on this issue? Nope.

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    I agree Ana Gram - which is why I don't think the Party Room will agree with Abbott that it is an effective way to wedge.

    I'm fairly sure that people who voted for the ALP at the last election didn't do so based on Gillard's statement that under her PM'ship marriage would remain between a man and a woman.

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    Everything DL has said.

    Marriage is a human right. For everyone. The UDHR does not specify it being between opposite sex parties, unlike Australia's Marriage Act.

    Prohibiting gay marriage is a blatant human rights abuse but because they're not torturing citizens it's okay?

    just because something is less horrible doesn't make it less valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I am of the view that 'Marriage' is between a man and a woman. It's a simple as that.
    I do not have a problem with homosexuals having civil unions to show their commitment to each other and receive legal recognition - just don't call it 'marriage'.
    I haven't read the responses, but what makes you think that the rest of the counry should abide by your morals when it comes to marriage? If marriage to you is between a man and a woman, then marry a woman. Marriage to me is about love. It's not harming your marriage if a man marries a man or a woman marries a woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucyB View Post
    I agree Ana Gram - which is why I don't think the Party Room will agree with Abbott that it is an effective way to wedge.

    I'm fairly sure that people who voted for the ALP at the last election didn't do so based on Gillard's statement that under her PM'ship marriage would remain between a man and a woman.
    Sorry for not replying to everyones questions directed at me. They are pretty much all the same. My generic response will be - "this is how I feel, and I am entitled to such an opinion". The perils of a free society I guess.

    In regard to Lucy's comments above. I think you are neglecting the Christian ALP voters. Gillard was specifically asked this question from a Christian group. I can't see this being a vote winner for Labor, but there will be 'traditional' Labor voters that may well have to jump ship over this move (amongst others) towards the Greens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    Marriage to me is about love. It's not harming your marriage if a man marries a man or a woman marries a woman.
    Another supporter of polygamy. There was a good article in the Australian over the weekend about the 'slippery slope' and the push for polygamy has already started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forkie View Post
    Everything DL has said.

    Marriage is a human right. For everyone. The UDHR does not specify it being between opposite sex parties, unlike Australia's Marriage Act.

    Prohibiting gay marriage is a blatant human rights abuse but because they're not torturing citizens it's okay?

    just because something is less horrible doesn't make it less valid.
    I do agree. Imagine if legislation suddenly meant that people of different races could no longer marry, or those with disabilities.

    Oh no.... but this is 'different'... this is just a bit of good old fashioned homophobia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    Another supporter of polygamy. There was a good article in the Australian over the weekend about the 'slippery slope' and the push for polygamy has already started.
    Well... I do want a wife. Do you know how AWESOME it would be to have someone else help with the weekly clean and the school pickups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benji View Post
    Well... I do want a wife. Do you know how AWESOME it would be to have someone else help with the weekly clean and the school pickups?
    Yes. It's called an Au-pair. A hell of a lot cheaper than another wife!

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