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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Beetle View Post
    How ridiculous. They aren't even similar. Anyway DL has answered perfectly as usual.
    I agree, DL has answered the question very well. His views are universal.

    It seems that yours, on the other hand, are not, as you seem to think it is a ridiculous suggestion that consenting adults (3) may want to get married. Do you not think that they should be free to get married too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurty View Post
    Do u mind if I ask why? Cool if you don't want to answer
    I am of the view that 'Marriage' is between a man and a woman. It's a simple as that.
    I do not have a problem with homosexuals having civil unions to show their commitment to each other and receive legal recognition - just don't call it 'marriage'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I agree, DL has answered the question very well. His views are universal.

    It seems that yours, on the other hand, are not, as you seem to think it is a ridiculous suggestion that consenting adults (3) may want to get married. Do you not think that they should be free to get married too?
    I have no issue what consenting choose to do actually. But I still don't think they are similar issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Father View Post
    I am of the view that 'Marriage' is between a man and a woman. It's a simple as that.
    I do not have a problem with homosexuals having civil unions to show their commitment to each other and receive legal recognition - just don't call it 'marriage'.
    I am 110% supportive of gays/lesbians and civil unions and having legal recognition also, but do tend to agree that the actual word "marriage" is used to describe a man an woman.

    With regards to civil unions.... I am absolutely thrilled that parliament has passed this and given the rights for legal recognition......... Small steps but such a great direction to be heading in for equality between australians!!!!!


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    I REALLY hope it gets through but it won't

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterlily View Post
    I REALLY hope it gets through but it won't
    I think it's going to be really close.

    In fact it's going to be fascinating watching. (outs self as nerd).

    Stephen Jones and Adam Bandt have both said they'll introduce a Private Members Bill. Will it get to that or will Govt introduce a Govt bill?im kinda disappointed Parliament doesn't resume until Feb!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LucyB View Post
    I think it's going to be really close.

    In fact it's going to be fascinating watching. (outs self as nerd).

    Stephen Jones and Adam Bandt have both said they'll introduce a Private Members Bill. Will it get to that or will Govt introduce a Govt bill?im kinda disappointed Parliament doesn't resume until Feb!
    The government won't sponsor a bill. They will leave it to a Private Member's Bill in order to try to insulate themselves from the inevitable wailing from the church.

    It will only be close if the Libs also agree to a conscience vote, which would surprise me. Abbott plays politics on absolutely everything, and allowing it to go to a conscience vote would negate his ability to get his nightly buzzwords on the news every night. He can't exactly rail against the government on the issue if a heap of his own members are going to support it.

    Not to mention the fact that Abbott's own bigotry will make him fight to keep a party line. As health minister, he fought tooth and nail against the move to allow a conscience vote on removing his ability to maintain the ban on RU486 because it meant that he wasn't going to be able to impose his hardline religious views on the rest of us.

    It would be close (but not guaranteed) as a parliament-wide conscience vote, but I doubt it'll happen. If the Libs vote as a bloc it won't be close at all.

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    I think he'll allow a conscience vote.

    The Party Room will make him.

    He'll call the PM's conscience vote bluff.

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    Yep I doubt it will happen as well. But I still think it's that once step closer then we where before. It will happen one day. One day we will be all treated equally, I have faith in that.

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    "Marriage" is also a term used to describe the union women can be forced/pressured into by their fathers/other male relatives, when they are but children themselves... and often to much older men.

    I have much more of a problem with that being called marriage, than two consenting adults who happen to be the same sex having a "marriage."

    I have no problems at all with two men or women being "married." Applying the word "marriage," to same sex marriages doesn't make heterosexual marriage any lesser. Two women getting married, using that word, doesn't make my heterosexual marriage (if I ever get married... lol) any less valid or important. It has no impact on it whatsoever.

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