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    Fine, it's hygiene not vaccines. You can take your chances but I won't. Not planning to travel to a non first world country ever are you?
    Here is a nice little article on misconceptions of vaccines, and addresses most of the anti-vaxxers arguments we see on here
    http://m.historyofvaccines.org/conte...about-vaccines

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    amazingly,in 1950 Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio and Measles killed 4,236 people (in the US alone), whereas in 2005 those same 5 diseases killed only 33 people (31 of which were due to pertussis) a more then 100 fold decrease in mortality rates in 50 years?

    source:http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...pdx-full-g.pdf

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    Considering the first successful vaccination (smallpox) was in 1796 I find the hygiene/sanitation argument moot when it comes to contagious illnesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulysses View Post
    According to the westmead childrens hospital, before vaccination tetanus used to be one of the killer diseases of childhood, they also claim it is everywhere in the environment.


    source;http://kidshealth.schn.health.nsw.go...s/immunisation
    The reason why it killed that many children, is because it is contracted via saliva and blood. So when a child falls and scrapes its knee on dirt or cuts itself on an unclean object, they are at a decent risk of contracting tetanus. Adults tend to be more careful and don't fall over and cut themselves as often as kids do.

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    It would play a small part, yes. But I do believe if hygiene could wipe out polio it seems unlikely that gastroenteritis would still spread like wildfire. My understanding is that they are transmitted in the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misschief View Post
    The reason why it killed that many children, is because it is contracted via saliva and blood. So when a child falls and scrapes its knee on dirt or cuts itself on an unclean object, they are at a decent risk of contracting tetanus. Adults tend to be more careful and don't fall over and cut themselves as often as kids do.
    Actually adults are reported/hospitalised far more than children (probably because more adults have waning immunity than children who have been vaccinated more recently). It is just the case fatality rate that is higher in children and the elderly.

    http://www.health.gov.au/internet/pu...pl-3-vpd15.htm

    I would think an underdeveloped immune system would be the cause of fatalities in childhood and immune compromised in the aged.
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    No doubt that particularly last century, improved hygiene and sanitation did play a role in preventing illnesses.

    Interestingly though, in the case of Polio it was improved sanitation that actually lead to the epidemics in the 20th century because as water supplies became cleaner, the natural herd immunity of society began to wane.

    There are also examples of some recently-introduced vaccines for which improved hygiene can certainly be eliminated as a factor in the huge drop in morbidity from them since vaccination commenced. eg:




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    She's talking about Stop the AVN:

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    Yes, anyone who disagrees with them are obviously thick and uneducated. Talk about taking a low blow. That is what people do when their backs are against the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missie_mack View Post
    ... and don't even realise that it is commonly known as lockjaw.
    On a side note, I thought lockjaw was the old name for tetnus and the modern name is tetnus? Sort of like "consumption" and "tuberculosis".

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    Quote Originally Posted by missie_mack View Post
    Having a cut with something dirty alone will not cause tetanus. It needs to be a deep wound starved of oxygen for the C. Tetani spores to develop. And whilst vaccination has surely helped with the infection, so has a better understanding of the condition. Many people still think of rusty nails when they talk about tetanus and don't even realise that it is commonly known as lockjaw. If you look at the death rates from tetanus they were considerably dropping prior to the introduction of the vaccine- because the cause of lockjaw was identified.

    Death rates for Tetanus based on decades looks like this (bold indicating the decade the vaccine was introduced)
    1926-1935 879
    1936-1945 655
    1946- 1955 625
    1956-1965 280
    1966-1975 82
    1976-1985 31
    1986-1995 21
    1996-2000 5

    (FYI the source is a NSW Health Bulletin from 2003)
    From the same bulletin (only because polio has been mentioned and I has scanner nearby)

    So in the decade after vaccination was introduced, the tetanus mortality was reduced to less than half what it was. That's a bigger drop than prior decades you've supplied. That's pretty amazing really. A combination of increased understanding and vaccination is my guess.

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