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    Why do people bring in the argument "I don't vaccinate because AVN or other experts tell me that vaccines are not 100% effective".

    Scientists would agree with AVN or other experts who state vaccines are not 100% effective. Not one scientist has ever stated that they are 100% effective in preventing diseases. However, what AVN and other anti-vaxx experts do not explain to people is that:

    Vaccines are effective in disease prevention in 90-95% of the people. The other 5-10% will get the illness, but symptoms will be much less severe then they would be without the vaccines.
    The fatality rate would be 50% higher as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumMum View Post
    Nah that isnt scary. Many people simply lack the ability to understand research, medical terminology etc. I would prefer they choose the most accepted and endorsed option with well proven benefits with the support of their doctor etc than to begin researching and trying to understand anti vax information on their own. I know a lot of people like this and to be honest I think its just dangerous.

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    I have no idea why they go on about how effective the vaxxes are either. I mean 95% is very good no? Heck of a lot better than 0%. AND whooping cough is 80% - but even exposure to the live virus doesn't give you immunity forever - somewhere around 9 years- depending on the person, some have it less and some more - so the old "exposure to the disease" chestnut doesn't even hold up in that case.

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    ^^ This too
    and so many people don't seem to understand the concept of herd immunity, and come spouting cr*p about how vaccines aren't 100% effective therefore they are somehow ineffective and not necessary.
    If EVERYONE was vaccinated, diseases like measles, mumps, pertussis would be wiped out eventually. Just like smallpox.

    BTW, this is one of the funniest threads I have read!

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    As a delayed and selective vaxxer, I despite the AVN!

    Just wanted to het that out there

    As for where I got my research, I read government info, medical texts and spoke to my GP.

    For me it was all about risk assessment. The likelihood of contracting a disease, what the likelihood of an adverse reaction was to said disease and what the likelihood of an adverse reaction from the vaccine was.

    We delayed until we were comfortable to give the vaccines, making sure they were healthy and at an age where we would identify any adverse reactions more easily. But our lifestyle played a part too, where we lived, exposure to others etc...

    *I can haz typos*

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    I am staying out of this, of fear that my BH membership may be revoked.
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    the problem with people deciding not to vax, or delaying vax, because the likelihood of getting the disease is minimal, is that if too many people start doing so, the incidence of that disease will start to increase. I know it's scary, the thought of your child having an adverse reaction, but please think of the 4 week old baby who hasn't had their vax yet, and how your actions can affect the chance of them getting one of these horrible diseases.
    I actually can't believe that anyone would choose NOT to vaccinate if they had done enough research to actually look at images or videos of children with either pertussis, diptheria, tetanus, MRI's of children with varicella encephalitis, sterility with mumps. Or is everyone just relying on the rest of us to vaccinate and protect them?

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    Oh goodness, I couldn't help myself - I went back over to AVN on facebook and Meryl says that SIDs didn't exist until 1950s (yeah right!!) and that is when mass vaccinations so vaccinations cause SIDs. What. a. complete. moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beebs View Post
    Oh goodness, I couldn't help myself - I went back over to AVN on facebook and Meryl says that SIDs didn't exist until 1950s (yeah right!!) and that is when mass vaccinations so vaccinations cause SIDs. What. a. complete. moron.
    lol as someone else said, you can't argue with crazy.

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    This is what Meryl wrote in relation to pro vaxxers;

    "Give pseudo-sceptics and inch and they will take your page! I don't know why I have to do this - probably because reading comprehension is a bit low on that other page. "

    Teehee, this whole thing is so funny. I have too much time on my hands. But really - attacking their literacy, haha!


 

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