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    Quote Originally Posted by capricorn45 View Post
    Vaccination should have been abolished 200 years ago. The fact that it is still around is a monument to the ruthlessness of some people, and the stupidity of others who have been unable to figure out that vaccination is an absolute fraud.
    I never usually enter these debates, just read along for entertainment....but this above comment just takes the cake.

    I'm all for everyone making their own decisions (FTR I'm pro-vax) and respect the differing opinions....but if vax's were abolished 200 years ago, there's every likelihood half your family wouldn't even exist today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elleandsam View Post
    What's scary is that some parents do no reading at all before deciding to vaccinate, except maybe a panadol pamphlet. That concerns me. Vaccinating is a huge decision.
    Nah that isnt scary. Many people simply lack the ability to understand research, medical terminology etc. I would prefer they choose the most accepted and endorsed option with well proven benefits with the support of their doctor etc than to begin researching and trying to understand anti vax information on their own. I know a lot of people like this and to be honest I think its just dangerous.

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    Can I just ask where do anti vaxers get their information from.. those who don't use the avn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by capricorn45 View Post
    The scientific evidence shows that vaccines are useless and dangerous. The "evidence" that "vaccines are safe and effective" comes from the people who profit from this sickening racket. It's IMO a disgrace that defenseless babies and children are sacrificed for the sake of greed and as a result of ignorance. Vaccination should have been abolished 200 years ago. The fact that it is still around is a monument to the ruthlessness of some people, and the stupidity of others who have been unable to figure out that vaccination is an absolute fraud.

    Try getting to know a person who contracted polio as a child as my father in law did. I am sure you will find that they don't think that the any vaccines were developed due to ignorance or greed. Being permanently disabled his entire life, he celebrated the success of the vaccine in the developed world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bumMum View Post
    Nah that isnt scary. Many people simply lack the ability to understand research, medical terminology etc. I would prefer they choose the most accepted and endorsed option with well proven benefits with the support of their doctor etc than to begin researching and trying to understand anti vax information on their own. I know a lot of people like this and to be honest I think its just dangerous.

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    Yeah I do agree. I don't think there is anything wrong with researching yourself. But it's a complex field and many of these more dangerous groups make out they have very compelling arguments and proof (which conveniently is never cited). It really becomes propaganda, where people get swept up in being convinced by it bc the claims seem so strong. Claims and wild accusations and fact are two different things though.

    Again, I'm not referring to the mum that has delayed or not vaxxed subsequent children after an adverse reaction or one that selectively vaxes bc she's concerned about them being grouped together. I'm talking about these conspiracy type crazy claims by AVN type sources.

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    I have seen a lot of anti-vax conspiracy theories involving vaccines being a Big Pharma scam to make money... I wonder why "Big Pharma" would bother? From what I understand, vaccines are really expensive to make and governments have usually got the controlling purchase, so they can't place a massive mark up on them... From what I've read/heard, they don't actually make that much from them. Also there is the whole thing of once you have had your course, you don't need anymore for years, or in some cases ever... Anyone know anything about this whole profit margin issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bumMum View Post
    Can I just ask where do anti vaxers get their information from.. those who don't use the avn?

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    I spoke to my GP and the central immunization clinic before deciding not to vaccinate. Tbh I have never looked at the avn website nor have I ever researched vaccinations myself ie googled them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capricorn45 View Post
    By not vaxing, one eliminates a leading, if not THE leading cause of ill-health in the Western world. I would go as far as to say that vaccination is a disease-promoting racket disguised as disease prevention by means of junk science.
    Can I borrow your tin foil hat please capricorn? Mine was damaged during the last attempt by the government to implant a microchip in my brain. Thnx

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Bec~ View Post
    My DP is an industrial chemist with close to 20 years experience of analysing chemicals (including water - yes water is a chemical). He has experience of how pharmaceuticals are produced, regulated and audited (TGA). Although he has never worked for a pharm company that produces vaccines he has worked for a pharm company years ago that made medications and can detail the process they follow and how they are audited by the TGA. The TGA have varying levels of specifications for different products. For example I believe the "bottom rung" so to speak is topical veterinary products, the "highest rung" is vaccines for human use. Would you like some further information?
    He obviously needs it.

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    Oops, double post
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