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    Oh Ness - I'm with you at the moment - infertility sucks for all of us! I also have endo and have had about 6 ops to remove it and yes prior to all of them I had pain (lots!) but I have also heard that you sometimes dont feel a thing, so hard to know. So hard when your FS is a sad sack about it all. I agree with LG38, they do jump to the 'negative' conclusion too quickly sometimes. Let us know how you decide to proceed. If you're not ready to quit then I say don't!!
    MomToOneDS, great to hear of your good news enjoy the rest of the journey - you've earned it! Can I ask what TCM is? Sorry bit new to this, even though I'm next onto my 4th cycle. I need all the help I can get!
    LG38 - thanks, might try some of those supplements. The FN told me to stop taking DHEA after EPU as it was only to try and improve egg numbers & quality! I wont do that next time after what you have said - how annoying

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    Hey girls So I had my day 10 scan yesterday and not a single follie!!! I was pretty upset but my FS said not to worry cause it's still early days and I was on a very low dose...he has upped my gonal f to 50iu now. Looks like I was worrying about over stimming for no reason lol
    I've done some research online and people are saying that dhea can interfere with stims and prevent follicles from growing??? Anyone think this could be true?
    My FS was surprised that I was on Dhea (i have just started seeing a different FS at my clinic because my other one went on sudden maternity leave) and said that its up to me whether I take it or not, although he didnt say when to actually stop it.
    Does anyone know if it will cause any harm with my hormones etc. if i were stop in the middle of this cycle while stimming? Or should I just continue till the end of the cycle? I've been on it since december now, so quite sometime. I just dont want to keep taking it if its going to prevent me from growing any follies...

    Also I just wanted to say that I have been reading this thread and all your stories and you girls are so amazing and strong, some of the things you have been through!!! Real inspirations.
    Take care everyone, and good luck to all those in a cycle, and congrats to those of you who have got your BFPs!!

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    Morning Ladies

    Was a bit dramatic yesterday .
    LG I didn't realise you were only given 5% Well done my friend!! I remember how negative FS was right at the beginning of your pg too, they really like to keep our expectations low don't they. 4yrs ago I was given 40% chance, boy it's taken a dive. thanks for offering melatonin, what's the expiry date, can't you use them again when you are trying for # 2

    M20 Congrats on a little brother for DS too, that is so special for you all.

    Kayjaye Thanks for your feedback as well, FS said that if it hadn't worked already it wasn't looking good for us even though I've had a baby but they don't realise that we support each other on these forums and see how many cycles some ppl do before they get their family. Sorry for the pain you girls with severe endo feel too. I'm a bit different I had chronic cystitis for many yrs & do find you know what painful quite often. TCM is traditional chinese medicine - acupunture & herbs as well. You didn't mention about your b/t yesterday?

    Dandelion Dhea hasn't prevented anyone from growing follies on our thread, in fact the opposite, but if you decide to stop it won't hurt you. At your young age it's prob not a big deal as Dhea is something which declines with age and we aren't the experts just trying to support each other so I would always go by FS recommendations first. Your BFP isn't far away

    I read something in Good Health magazine which said that during Perimenopaus some women can ovulate twice in a cycle, 2nd time is during a period. I knew of a lady who wasn't conceiving as they were trying mid cycle, then her Dr worked out that she ov'd during AF & she got pg after trying then. I don't really like the idea but think it's worth a try - have a great wknd ladies

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    Dandelion - my follie numbers improved with DHEA and I think it's seemed to have helped a lot of people here BUT Ness is right, we're not the specialists. It's up to you but no won't hurt you to stop now. and you get some follies with this stim
    Thanks Ness - duh of course TCM is chinese medicine I was doing that prior to IVF but my FS doesn't want you on the herbs as he says they can affect your natural hormones then they dont get a true indication of where you're at. So I'm sticking with the acupuncture for now but I might go with the herbs again if I decide to change clinics not sure on that one though....cystitis sounds painful too! Go for broke while AF is around - can't hurt to try, just get the towel out

    BT yesterday was OK HCG was back below 10 which is considered normal. She said if it went up they would have been worried about an ectopic but thank goodness that didn't happen and she doubts a chemical either. AF arrived in full flood but not much pain yet and it's been 18 hours now...I'm taking that as a good sign and I might even get my natural miracle in my next couple of months off Doesn't hurt to be too positive now, does it?!!

    My girlfriend is in full labour right now so I might have a little bubba to cuddle soon. I always think if I can't have my own I may as well enjoy others!
    Yay it's the weekend, I'm off to enjoy - ciao for now

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    Dandelion - my follie numbers improved with DHEA and I think it's seemed to have helped a lot of people here BUT Ness is right, we're not the specialists. It's up to you but no won't hurt you to stop now. and you get some follies with this stim
    Thanks Ness - duh of course TCM is chinese medicine I was doing that prior to IVF but my FS doesn't want you on the herbs as he says they can affect your natural hormones then they dont get a true indication of where you're at. So I'm sticking with the acupuncture for now but I might go with the herbs again if I decide to change clinics not sure on that one though....cystitis sounds painful too! Go for broke while AF is around - can't hurt to try, just get the towel out

    BT yesterday was OK HCG was back below 10 which is considered normal after using pregnyl. She said if it went up they would have been worried about an ectopic but thank goodness that didn't happen and she doubts a chemical either. AF arrived in full flood but not much pain yet and it's been 18 hours now...I'm taking that as a good sign and I might even get my natural miracle in my next couple of months off Doesn't hurt to be too positive now, does it?!!

    My girlfriend is in full labour right now so I might have a little bubba to cuddle soon. I always think if I can't have my own I may as well enjoy others!
    Yay it's the weekend, I'm off to enjoy - ciao for now

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    Kayjaye, TCM is traditional Chinese medicine.

    Dandelion, DHEA did not make me grow fewer follicles. But in my last cycle where I got my BFP, my LH was surging earlier, before EPU that frightened the hell out of me, cos I thought I would lose my eggs before EPU. I wondered if DHEA had to do with this cos it nevr happened to my previous 3 cycles..I started DHEA only before th 4th/last cycle. FN had to get me to do double injections of orgalutran to prevent premature ovulation.

    Ness, 1:25 is . Must have scared you really bad. Wow it is nothing short of a miracle that DD turned out fine. Fewh! I cant believe after getting pregnant, that is not the end of drama. Yes I finally can relax now and really get on being pregnant.

    Chook11, MrsOC, how are both of you ladies?
    I am counting down to our family holiday....less than 3 weeks to go.

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    Hi Nessika, first of all big hugs, I hope you can stay strong through this process, hold out for those good, sunny times which are just around the corner

    I've been given a 15-20% chance of Ivf working, but as my friends say that's better than zero. Plus my doc says the chances are better than my chances naturally. So we are going to give it a go.

    Don't know how to think going into the process, I guess knowing that it will probably won't work but if we're lucky it will. But we have to give it a go, as we have no other choice. I have my back up plan if it doesn't, foster care or donor eggs.

    A friend told me people doing Ivf can't apply to do foster care until they've finished Ivf. How f...d is that, can they punish people struggling with infertility any more!

    They don't ask fertile couples not to have more than one kid, or three!

    Kayjaye, good luck with natural miracle and enjoy the sex!

    Dandelion good luck with the cycle and I'm on DHEA and my FS recommended it, so I think it's good with Ivf, but your doc will guide you.

    I also had acupuncture today and she really explained what she was doing which was great, plus she's given me extra medicine powder to take. She reckons she can regulate my cycle, I'm thinking if she can do that, then surely my chances of pregnancy improve right?

    Hello to everyone else, thinking fertile thoughts!
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    Hey ladies

    Thank you for all your advice, I decided to just keep taking it until I see my FS tomorrow and see what he says. My old FS did say just to keep taking it so prob best I don't go against their advice just because of something I read on google

    Mom2oneds, I wonder if its possible that I ovulated as early as day 10? Or do you think they would have been able to tell if I did by the scan? Massive congrats on your BFP

    Take care all you wonderful gals And good luck for wherever you are all at in your cycles, I know that eventually we will all get our Bfps!!!

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    LG - Thank you for thinking of me. Glad to hear it is going well.

    Mum2O
    - It sounds like you had an awful scare but glad to hear that everything turned out well.

    Millie - Good to hear all is coming along well.

    Nessika - Hope your BFP is around the corner.

    Jaye - I am sorry about it not looking good. ****ty universe has a lot to answer for. I hope somehow it works for you.

    Kayjaye
    - Hi - I have been taking TCM as well and it completely got rid of AF pain.

    Dandelion
    - Best of luck with this cycle.

    Hi to everyone else.

    AFM - I bit depressed as my latest Day 2 FSH came back as 24, and E2 was 60, FS said that E2 was too low. Scans have showed a really thin lining (3mm) and nothing happening. It looks like a long annovulatory cycle. FS said that there are a few antral follicles around 5mm in size hanging around but that there not doing anything.

    I'm kind of feeling cynical about the whole fertility industry and disappointed that all these doctors can't do more to help us. They are so quick to put us in the too hard basket and try to convert us to donor eggs just so they can have a "success" in their eyes. If ladies wish to use DEs and it brings them happiness then I fully support their decision. However, I think if you've decided that DEs are not for you, then this is also a valid position that should be supported. For various personal reasons I have decided DEs are not for me and that I would rather not have a child at all than use them. I am tired of FSs (and other people) who want to "convert" me to their way. I think FS's should also respect your position if you don't want to use DEs and stop trying to convert you. This is the reason I have not continued to see Wazza. He said that he would treat me, but as we were leaving he said that he hopefully con we into using DEs eventually. I do not like the idea of getting pressured about DEs every time I see him.

    I am also tired of people suggesting to adopt - like you couldn't think of that yourself, and then they think it's fine to tell you what to do in your personal life and come up with these quick fixes to solve your problems for you. Adoption is not an easy process either, and I do not have to explain to anyone why we do or do not want to go down this path.

    I am ready for a life without children. I have applied for long service leave from work around Aug-Sep-Oct, and for part of that time we are planning an overseas trip. DP is talking about going to China for a few weeks. He has downloaded various Mandarin practice videos from the internet, and wandering around the house practicing.

    Of course if a breakthrough happens in the next 10 years I will be over in a shot to wherever in the world it is being done. Tilly's group in Boston published a paper in Feb 2012 where they have isolated egg precursor cells in women's ovaries which can be cultured to make new eggs. This totally overturns the accepted dogma of the 60 years about women's eggs not being renewable. The work of this group is continuing.

    Imagine if there was a treatment where instead of having to take stims, you would have one operation to take out a bit of ovarian tissue, from which they would culture ovarian cells and make as many eggs as they need. This would be great for us poor responders, women with premature ovarian failure (or anyone doing IVF). Victims of childhood cancer would benefit since they could freeze ovarian tissue and mature the eggs years later. The work could also be used to generate lots of eggs for stem cell research so other fields of medical research may benefit.

    There is also that Japanese group I wrote to but haven't heard anything further, and they haven't published their work yet.

    I'm feeling angry at everything right now. Angry at FSs for shoving donor eggs down my throat all the time, angry at people for saying why don't you just adopt. Angry at people who write comments on web pages and say that fertility research is not important. Angry at prying neighbours and relatives and the whole world.

    I feel like in the end it's not going to work. We will always have our dreams, of the beautiful little baby that would have been the combination of us both.

    I do hope that everyone's BFP is not far off.


 

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