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    Tetanus is one for me that I felt we would deal with at the time. I firs t had to have a tetanus sh ot at 10 when I cut my hand on a piece of iron. I had another tetanus shot at 15 when I s tepped on a nail that was in a wooden board in the river. I had another one at 25 when when I cut my foot while on the roof of my house. There was no reason to have it before all that took place. There's nothing to say that my child will ever need it but if she does we'll deal with it at the time.

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    The reason there were only 4 cases of tetanus last year is because most people are immunized. That's why everyone thinks some vaccines are not necessary. Not true!!!

    I trust my immunization handbook. The work regarding adverse reactions is investigated by people like me who work in the labs and deal with the patients. Unless there is family history of reactions or allergy issues then I completely understand not vaccinating. I'll try to dig up some figures today regarding immunizations and adverse reactions from an accurate source (medical journals etc. - not the web!!!!)

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    I am pro vaccine in general but will be delaying as its too much too early on. I've done research on this for years now and have even managed to convince my science-minded DH that this is the right approach!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolz83 View Post
    The reason there were only 4 cases of tetanus last year is because most people are immunized. That's why everyone thinks some vaccines are not necessary. Not true!!!

    I trust my immunization handbook. The work regarding adverse reactions is investigated by people like me who work in the labs and deal with the patients. Unless there is family history of reactions or allergy issues then I completely understand not vaccinating. I'll try to dig up some figures today regarding immunizations and adverse reactions from an accurate source (medical journals etc. - not the web!!!!)
    Pleas e remember the OP wants to know something specific not after information on why people should immunise to schedule

    I never had tetanus but getting to the doctor at that time to have the shot was more than enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolz83 View Post
    The reason there were only 4 cases of tetanus last year is because most people are immunized. That's why everyone thinks some vaccines are not necessary. Not true!!!

    I trust my immunization handbook. The work regarding adverse reactions is investigated by people like me who work in the labs and deal with the patients. Unless there is family history of reactions or allergy issues then I completely understand not vaccinating. I'll try to dig up some figures today regarding immunizations and adverse reactions from an accurate source (medical journals etc. - not the web!!!!)
    This is the problem, most of us who have replied don't trust the immunisation handbook which is why we are having this open, civil discussion and why we would like to know which ones you personally ( being in the field) you wont be giving your baby as mentioned in your first post? As far as reactions go there are many more that don't get reported and many more that I'm
    Sure are vax related but impossible to actually prove! As I mentioned before even though reactions scare me it's the long term health risks to my son that scare me the most and there are no studies done on the long term effects of the current vaccines!

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    The immunisation handbook is great (if it's the one I'm thinking of, you have to email to request a copy) as it has all the ingredients listed, etc. There really aren't many, if any, truly unbiased sources, so you really have to have critical eye when doing your research. The Sears Vaccine book is pretty good tho.

    I strongly believe in health promotion, keeping the body healthy, rather than onlsaughting it with various chemicals, etc. in order to possibly prevent illnesses. Gut health is very important, and vaccines can do a lot of damage to this.


    I do not agree with the concept of herd immunity, as we do not live in a herd, we live very segregated lives, we are not sharing the same living quarters, meals, etc., etc. The principals involved in the argument simply do not line up.

    Also, the argument the we don't see these illnesses anymore because of vaccines isn't entirely true either. A lot of these so called vaccine preventable diseases had dropped to very low rates before vaccines for them were introduced, their mortality reduction and/or irradication has a lot more to do with effective treatment, sanitation, dietary standards, etc.

    I base my decision not to vax, not on a risk vs benefit regarding possible rare reactions, such as autism, but on the gauranteed damage that will be done by injecting these substances into my child's body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brogeybear View Post
    The immunisation handbook is great (if it's the one I'm thinking of, you have to email to request a copy) as it has all the ingredients listed, etc. There really aren't many, if any, truly unbiased sources, so you really have to have critical eye when doing your research. The Sears Vaccine book is pretty good tho.

    I strongly believe in health promotion, keeping the body healthy, rather than onlsaughting it with various chemicals, etc. in order to possibly prevent illnesses. Gut health is very important, and vaccines can do a lot of damage to this.


    I do not agree with the concept of herd immunity, as we do not live in a herd, we live very segregated lives, we are not sharing the same living quarters, meals, etc., etc. The principals involved in the argument simply do not line up.

    Also, the argument the we don't see these illnesses anymore because of vaccines isn't entirely true either. A lot of these so called vaccine preventable diseases had dropped to very low rates before vaccines for them were introduced, their mortality reduction and/or irradication has a lot more to do with effective treatment, sanitation, dietary standards, etc.

    I base my decision not to vax, not on a risk vs benefit regarding possible rare reactions, such as autism, but on the gauranteed damage that will be done by injecting these substances into my child's body.
    I agree totally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elijahs Mum View Post
    It is hard! Why is tetanus important for you? It wasn't really one I was worried about ( if DS received an open wound my GP said he could get the shot then and it can be treated- there were only 4 cases of tetanus in Australia last year) ...
    Because in this scenario, your son would receive the combined DTP not single tetanus. Years ago, it was a single tetanus shot for such injuries. But in recent years with so many people electing not to immunise, it became standard practice to give DTP as a booster instead. This is a risk we in my family cannot take. If i or my DD were to receive DTP it would be fatal. These days single tetanus usually needs to be specially ordered in and that can take weeks. Hence why i deem it so important for *us* to stay on schedule with it.

    Thanks for the further advice on MMR. And the talk about the importance of gut health actually aligns quite closely with what my mum has been banging on about forever.

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    **ETA (added below a few points in my post that later came to mind)**

    First of all, things that made me question the whole effectiveness of vaccinations was just simply looking at reality - did you know we have MORE whooping cough then ever before in countries that have the HIGHEST whopping cough vaccination rates than ever before... Go figure. And herd immunity was supposed to come into play when vax rates got to near 80% and whooping cough vaccination rate is now in the 90%?! So technically whooping cough should have been well eradicated but its worse than ever.go figure. So saying it's because people are choosing NOT to vax is a load of crap, we are seeing nearly record numbers. I also believe hygiene and proper living conditions are a huge factor as to why disease rates are much better in Australia than third world countries, not because of vaccines.

    I would not rely on somebody else that is paid on immunizing (GPs etc) for the true story, they only know so much and they are only 1 person, I needed to find things out for myself, and this is when the research began.

    We have decided not to vaccinate our baby at all so far, (except for HepB after birth which i SO regret but that's another story) after much research and thought. We feel there is way too many vax cocktails thrown on our poor little baby's developing immune system that we believe it compromises it. I read somewhere it's normal to have 8-20 colds in the 1st year and ear infections etc - my son hasn't been sick once in his first year of life besides a fever once nor has any allergies so far and I strongly believe that was due to a mixture of breastfeeding and also importantly the fact we did not overload his tiny body and growing immune system with a whole heap of toxins and what seem like diseases to his body. His body is natural & pure and I trust it to protect him at this time in his life, which it has done beautifully, he is the healthiest baby I know. Thinking about it, do you really think it is normal for a child's body to act like it has gotten polio, tetanus, diphtheria, chicken pox, measles, whooping cough, HIV etc etc in the first few months of life!? Of course not and it most definitely will crash the immune/gut system IMO, and I've seen it happen many times. I know people that have children they vaxed then others they didn't and they always say how superior in health the children they didnt vax are. Also there is NO evidence of disease clusters amongst the unvaccinated which I think is a massive point to think about!

    Also after much research into books, websites, statistics, VAERS (also looking into real life adverse vaccination reactions) and more we decided that for our son, the risk he would contract the diseases were lower than the risk of getting a reaction to the vaccination at this time in his life, because at this stage I stay at home with him full time, he is breastfed etc. The decision will be reviewed prior to school with another wave of research & thought, but I'm pretty sure it's a no to any or most vaxxes. It's all about individual risk assessment & also the fact that they haven't studied long term effects weighed on my mind. The medical field has gotten it very very wrong before with some vaccines so who's to say what they are doing now is safe - we just may not know yet.

    The whole study china did on raising the vaccination age to 2 years and SIDS practically disappearing when they were one of the highest countries for SIDS rates also scared me. Also our SIDS rates in Australia peak at 2 & 4 months of age - just in line with vaccination schedule, I know it's also very hard to "prove" direct links with vaccination (ie for example baby dies within a few days of vax and they don't know why exactly then it can be classed as SIDS but my instincts say different, so that's why records of adverse reactions are a bit of a worry & not always accurate).

    Why so much so soon. I am actually not against adult vaccination for the most part i just think we have it around the wrong way - we would be far better off vaxxing adults then overloading our babies with vaccinations as of the current schedule, it's just something I am totally not comfortable with, let alone with the fact we are injecting our babies with adult dosage vaxxes!!! (Yes, sadly its a one size fits all which is so so wrong & IMO very harmful).

    Also, so much of the effectiveness of some vaccinations are being questioned after all the risk we just decided it wasnt worth it (plus didn't like injecting things like residue unborn human fetuses into my little baby's body but that's a whole other issue).

    I just recommend that every parent do their own thorough research through different mediums and not just do it because it's the done thing and rely on doctors, because they DO get paid the more vaxxes they do.

    Sorry to rant on... But I feel strongly about this and it is the most controversial parenting decision I have made. Hope I gave someone out there a bit more open minded insight as well.

    Good luck everyone with your decision... By far the hardest we have had to make as parents


    **NOTE**: This is my reasons for my decision as requested by OP & I will not be following it up in anyway as I am entitled to share this information which I have gathered over the years without having to justify everything, as I am not going to post years of research to satisfy every pro-vaxxer - it would go on forever. (I have posted SOME resources in another thread). This is what I stand by & I will not enter into anything further about it. (Plus I have now decided to go on a BH break so won't be online anymore). Thank you & good luck.


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    We are selective vaxxers due to a reaction I had to the Hep B vaccine. I never had it when I was younger [wasn't on the schedule back in the olden days I don't think ] and then in my 20s I ended up having one when I started working in healthcare as I was working with needles. I developed what was deemed reactive arthritis, but I was unaware that autoimmune diseases run in our family [thanks dad!] and it had actually triggered off RA and Sjogrens. SO not the vaccines fault as such, but my daughters may have inherited the genetic predisposition for it, so at this stage the risk for me outweighs the benefit.


 

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