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    Quote Originally Posted by JodiW View Post
    Wow Theresa thats was an awesome cycle, and to have some frosties for your next baby already waiting for you is wonderful not to mention a time and money saver

    I wish you all the best and keep us all updated as to how your going. Lets face it with all the struggles we have been through, a positive attitude can be really hard to come by, i think its that positive attitude that is needed. I also think its very heartening for others to hear the success stories so they can go to SA maybe with not so much of a positive attitude but hope that it will work cause every little bit helps.

    Ice Maiden will you be going to SA?

    I totally agree with you Jodi about the positive attitude and also the relaxed approach. Hubby and I went in there totally relaxed and not really reading too much into whether it would be a success or not - in other words I didnt obsess over it. Even the day of the transfer, I was so relaxed that I was laughing and joking and to be honest the transfer went by in a blink! We flew out the very next night and basically put it in Gods hands and left it at that. When I got the phone call from the clinic here that I was pregnant, was when reality hit so to speak, and I was a shaking crying laughing mess...but all good! So yes I agree that you need to go in with an attitude of what will be will be, be positive and most importantly stay relaxed. We lunched and dined out every day and I drank wine every day. We treated it like a holiday basically and look what happened!!

    I am very lucky to have 4 frosties on ice - and 100% quality too. I am 44 this year so I wouldnt want to leave having another one too long after this one if you know what I mean, however whatever happens, we are just so happy and feel so blessed to have one on the way! My Ob put a nice twist on my worries about being pregnant at my age ...he said I may be 43 but I am having the pregnancy of a 32 year old (basically my egg donors age)...and that my age would only account for a small part of whether the pregnancy was successful or not! Well so far so good!

    Good luck Jodi - you havent got long now - very exciting. I will definitely keep on updating, and so I hope will you.

    I hope others that are thinking about egg donors consider the Sth Africa option - my IVF clinic have had 8 out of 10 successes so far with egg donors in Sth Africa - so I think that speaks volumes.

    Francie - good luck with your next trip to Sth Africa - I am sure it will be a success!

    Congratulations on your BFP chascabear

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    Thank you for starting this thread.

    A few days ago I was preparing for a transfer of my final (donor eggs from twin sister) embryo only for it to not survive the thaw. My husband and I are devestated as this was our last chance.

    Now we are possibly searching for other options.

    I have a few questions. Sorry for my vagueness as I haven't slept much in the last 3 days.

    1) How long is the whole process? From registering/choosing your donor & paying. How long after can the actual transfer take place?

    2) I have high nk cells. Do the clinic's in South Africa specialise in treatment for prednisolone & clexane?

    3) If the transfer is unsuccessful, then I would have to keep flying back for future transfers as the embryos could not be re-located back to Aust due to legal reasons.

    I'm aware I will have to direct the above & any further questions to the clinic in South Africa but I just thought someone may have some answers.

    Thank you.

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    Hi Helenmac

    I am so sorry to hear about the frostie not surviving the thaw.

    Firstly, I would suggest you contact the clinic with regards to NK cells. Keep in mind that the drugs they take in SA are different to the drugs we get here, so you might, when explaining the medication you are on, need to have the chemical name and strength so they can tally up with what they would prescribe in SA, even though you can still have your medication prescribed here in Australia by your local GP. I do remember Dr Sacks saying to me he felt that S.A was behind in the IVF field so they may not take NK cells into consideration, in which case you may need to go to the U.S. For others reading this, who do not suffer from NK cells, I will say that I prefer the way SA cycles. I believe it is the only reason i got pregnant. Whereas here they cycle along with your natural cycle and give it a little helping hand in S.A they cancel your cycle and give you a completely new one with the drugs, therefore those with hormone problems, as I believe I have, have a better chance of conceiving because your hormones are taken out of the equation.

    As for length of time. There are thousands of women in South Africa willing to give up their eggs to help others. Register with each agency and see what they have to offer, the agencies have been mentioned in previous posts. I was quite rigid in my choice. When it fell through, I left it up to my husband to choose the donor and he chose within a day. I gave it three months from the date of choosing the donor though it can be done sooner depending on the clinic, the doctor and the donor.

    I highly recommend Capetown Fertility Clinic, my doctor was Paul Le Roux who was wonderful.

    I was a patient of Dr. Sacks too, they don't like to transfer the eggs here because the Australian law is different, egg donors need to be registered. The other option I thought about was having the eggs sent to a clinic in Thailand or India, closer to home and therefore cheaper to get too and no register needed (Global Egg donations can recommend a clinic in Thailand and India). As I do not have any eggs frozen in Capetown, they weren't that great so i elected to not freeze them, i didn't not follow through and research the costings for the moving of the eggs. That is not to say that your donor will have poorer quality eggs, like my donor, its the luck of the donor you choose.

    Good luck Helen. Let us know how you get on with CFC others may be interested to know whether they deal with Natural Killer cell issues.

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    Hi Helen

    Regarding the clexane - my Cape Fertility Doctor asked for me to start Clexane the day I was flying and if successfully pregnant until I was 16 weeks. My Cape IVF doctor was Dr Sulaiman Heylen. I did query as to why I was taking Clexane with him and he said that he wanted me to have the best possible chance of success. I obtained all my clexane injections here in Perth and when we flew over I made sure I had a letter from the doctor explaining the medication (in case of customs).

    I agree with Jodi about the cycles. My cycle was made to start when they told me to - basically to tie in with the egg donors cycle.

    I had a successful transfer of 2 embies - one didnt survive and I lost the embie at 8 weeks. I am pleased to say though that the other bub is growing leaps and bounds. I have 4 frosties in Cape Town if we choose to go for another bub. My donor had 21 eggs which was a fantastic result. My donor was 32 years old, has 4 children and had done 1 surrogacy before and also donated eggs before. We used Nurture clinic for our egg donation agency.

    Cape Fertility doctors/nurses and admin staff are wonderful - they are very welcoming and make the whole experience quite pleasant if that is possible.

    We chose our egg donor in August and we were in Cape Town in October - around 10 weeks from when we chose the egg donor.

    Like Jodi said - I fully recommend Cape Town Fertility Centre. You would be best discussing the NK cells with them. Dr Heylen was very thorough with me in every possible way when it came to blood tests and more blood tests etc etc - I am pleased he was because the end result speaks for itself.

    I am also pleased to say I stopped taking the Clexane at 10 weeks when my Ob here recommended me to. I have not had a problem.

    Good luck Jodi -

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    Thank you Jodi & Theresa,

    I appreciate all the info. I have received an email from Dr. Klaus Wiswedel from Cape Fertility clinic stating they do treat patients with high NK cells. I don't know at this point what type of medication they use though. In any case I have left over scripts for prednisolone & clexane with repeats and I'm aware of the dosages & time frames I'm required to take them. I just need to be clear if their protocol is the same as Dr. Sack's.

    They have sent me a medical questionaire to be filled out and copies of various BT's.
    A couple of questions: Do the BT's have to be very recent or can I produce the results of tests carried out from the IVF clinic which were done last year?
    I noticed I'm required to have a test on a pelvic ultrasound scan. Did you just go to a GP & ask for this to be done?

    It's still early days as I'm still in grieving period from the loss of our little embryo so I'm back & fourth on different options nothing yet of a firm decision but just want to be armed with as much info as possible.

    I've estimated it'll cost about $15,000 all up including airfare & accomodation so it all depends on if we can get a loan from my father-in-law. It's alot of money when there is no real guarantee especially that I have the high nk cells there is even bigger hurdle!!!

    Anyway bit by bit and each day will bring us closer to a decision on which path to take. Will keep you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helenmac View Post
    Thank you Jodi & Theresa,

    I appreciate all the info. I have received an email from Dr. Klaus Wiswedel from Cape Fertility clinic stating they do treat patients with high NK cells. I don't know at this point what type of medication they use though. In any case I have left over scripts for prednisolone & clexane with repeats and I'm aware of the dosages & time frames I'm required to take them. I just need to be clear if their protocol is the same as Dr. Sack's.

    They have sent me a medical questionaire to be filled out and copies of various BT's.
    A couple of questions: Do the BT's have to be very recent or can I produce the results of tests carried out from the IVF clinic which were done last year?
    I noticed I'm required to have a test on a pelvic ultrasound scan. Did you just go to a GP & ask for this to be done?

    It's still early days as I'm still in grieving period from the loss of our little embryo so I'm back & fourth on different options nothing yet of a firm decision but just want to be armed with as much info as possible.

    I've estimated it'll cost about $15,000 all up including airfare & accomodation so it all depends on if we can get a loan from my father-in-law. It's alot of money when there is no real guarantee especially that I have the high nk cells there is even bigger hurdle!!!

    Anyway bit by bit and each day will bring us closer to a decision on which path to take. Will keep you posted.
    Hi Helen, I think as long as the blood tests are fairly recent then that would be sufficient. We went for all our blood tests again as we hadnt had bloods done for over a year. All our testing was done through an IVF clinic here in Perth. They were like our middle man with regards to Cape Town. They sent us off for the blood tests, did my pelvic ultrasound, wrote up my prescriptions and did our follow up blood tests when we got our BFP! They monitored us until 8 weeks and then we were set free to go with whichever Ob we wanted to. We paid them like a management fee of $500 for this. Having said all that - you would easily get a referral for your ultrasound through your GP along with all the necessary blood tests if need be. You would have to ask Cape if your blood tests were still valid.

    It is expensive - and yes it cost us around $15,000 too. However it was basically our last shot at having a baby as I had an ovarian reserve test done and basically I have so few eggs left that it wasnt worth trying IVF again for me.

    It is a big decision and one you should make when you are of clear mind. You will know when that time is. It is good to explore all options before coming to a decision as it is a big commitment. I wish you well in whatever path you choose. I hope you are blessed with a BFP really soon!

    Not related - apparently 2012 the year of the Dragon is a very good year to have a baby! Good luck

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    Thanks Teresa, yeah I can't wait until I have a clearer head!!! Once I'm set with which path to go & have a plan I'll be okay. It's the confusion of which way to go is doing my head in. Anyway I appreciate all the info you have given me.

    Jodie - I was wondering if Dr. Sacks supports overseas donation. I haven't rasied it with him yet. At the last appointment he suggested local donation & to advertise in Sydney's Child but that's such a long search and it may never eventuate at all.

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    Hi Helen

    As far as I am aware, no he doesn't. I told him that I was going overseas and he didn't say anything about supporting me so I ended up just using my GP for referrals and prescriptions.

    As far as tests etc go, I had done an IVF cycle with Dr Sacks 4 months prior to going overseas so I could use all of those test results, I did get most of the bloods done again though, I figured since I was missing one or two test results I may as well do it all again as I was having blood taken. I did also send all of my test results for the past couple of years to my FS so he could see what had been going on and what I had been through.

    It is a lot of money but you have to think of the end result. I added up all the money I had spent over the years TTC and in the grand scheme of things I would have been far better off going straight to S.A. rather than trying various IVF cycles, accupuncture, TCM herbs, naturopath concotions etc. I would have saved a huge amount of money. As another person put it, if you can take out a personal loan for a car you can take out a personal loan to go to SA, it costs the same but your dreams can become a reality. That really hit it home for me as my husband who was umming and arring about going to SA due to the funds was looking to buy a work truck, which really wasn't needed. It helped put things into perspective for him anyway.

    Im so pleased that CFC can help you. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

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    Helen

    I might just add in case you haven't read through the previous posts, that should you decide donation in SA is the way to go, they will send you a protocol to follow i.e. they will send you a list of drugs for you to take, they will give you dates for when to start taking those drugs, so it may very well be completely different to what Dr Sacks has done in the past.

    As I have said they cycle differently here as they try and keep to a natural cycle. However, if the CFC docs have said that they do deal with NK cells (and that to me would have been your biggest hurdle) then drugs for this will be added to your protocol so its not something that you need to worry about.

    As mentioned before and by Theresa they do have some of the same named drugs that we do i.e Clexane which makes life easier when having prescriptions filled in Australia. Some of their drugs are known by different names, hence why i said you should let them know the chemical name and quantity of the drugs you did take.

    I know its a tough choice to make but you will know whats right for you soon enough.

    Sorry if I seem like I rambling, I have a bit of pregnancy brain today, very foggy and can't get what i want to say out but hopefully, you get the gist LOL

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    ladies I am still following this thread with interest, such a wealth of information

    Helenmac, just wanted to say that Dr Sacks does have links with an ED program and clinic in Hawaii. He suggested this as an option to DH and I at our last appointment in December if our current frosties don't result in a pregnancy. Apparently, he has visited the program and had brochures to show us etc. Not sure what his position would be in coordinating a cycle with an SA clinic (or what the fee might be), but wouldn't hurt to ask.

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