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    Hi ladiesI'm still in the TTC category....
    Whilst I'm not a regular poster I do check-in & try to keep up to date...
    Always nice to read abt BFP's but especially heart warming to see some in the long term group
    Keep us updated ladies - nice to know that, although illusive, the dream is possible!


    AFM - we've worked our way though another batch of frosties without so much as a hint of a second line


    So we're onto PGD to see if there's underlying issues...
    Have appointment next week to go over details - EPU wont be until Feb - in the mean time...All advice welcome!!!
    Rice x

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    Hi again Rice. Does it look like implantation issues or embryo issues?

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    Hi falicita - embies (15 of them) have almost all appeared to be of the best quality.
    Had a couple Chem pregnancies so just not sure what's happening...hoping PGD will give us some answers.
    Otherwise will be pushing for further testing on environment although I've had both tubes removed & some scar tissue cleared out & fs seems to think all is ok!

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    Rice – I have no frosties left either but am consideringPGD next as FS says I am a perfect candidate for it. Best of luck and I wouldbe very keen to hear how it all goes. Your story sounds quite a bit like mine.FS seems to think everything is functioning well but I have not even had achemical. I wonder what is going on as I am sure you are wondering also.
    Haydos – you are spot on about a lot of info coming fromthis thread. You may also be right about why a lot of us are getting over theline. I am sorry if I sound ignorant and I am sure you have explained before,but what is PICSI if you don’t mind me asking. Wow!! Sounds like you had agreat holiday!! A little jealous I must say!
    Marzi – I see you are another who has nicknamed baby!!How cute. I have heard a lot of nicknames for the little ones but not turtle!Love it!! Glad your scare has passed. I have actually heard it is quite commonfor IVFers to give birth a couple of weeks early.
    Lilbirdy – I can understand you feel a little concernedabout talking of your pregnancy here and I think it is very considerate. Icannot speak for everyone, but me personally, I do not mind it at all as I knowyou all have been through a long road to get where you are and I do notbegrudge any of you. If anything, it gives me a lot of hope. These are just myfeelings and I cannot speak for anyone else.
    Frosty – Hi to you also. Again, it is very kind of you towant to keep pregnancy talk to a minimum but read above and see that Ipersonally don’t mind at all. How are you feeling?? There does seem to be ababy boom in here doesn’t there?
    Star – sounds like you had a lovely time on your break!!Could be just what the doctor ordered. I have had a hysteroscopy twice and asodd as it sounds, I am always upset when they tell me it looks extremelyhealthy in there. I know that is an odd statement to make but it is primarilyabout being disappointed that I still have no answers. Your stocking soundsgreat!!! You appear to be very similar to me in your tastes. I love Mecca and Ilove me some Mimco!! I have had some Oroton in my time too. Santa was as kindas ever to me also. I gotta tell you, Iam not jealous about the scuba gear!!I absolutely refuse to swim in the ocean!!I have an irrational fear that if I get more than ankle deep a shark willdevour me!! Your encounter with Mr Hammerhead validated that I should NOT begetting in the ocean anytime soon. When I was in Hawaii the guys who ran thetour boat we went on had to get in with me and hold my hand as I was completelyparanoid that a fish would touch my leg! I am so glad I did it as I got to swimup close with turtles. It was a little humiliating though as everyone else on theboat clapped and cheered that I tried to overcome my fear. A few people huggedme and said they were proud of me. Complete strangers.I felt rather childish Ican tell you. One lady gave DH her underwater disposable camera for us todevelop as she took photos of me. That was very sweet. My 2012 plans….get new job, get UTD naturally,be in a lot of trouble with new employer for falling pregnant two months intonew job and not care anyway as I finally have a BFP!! The ball is rolling onthe job front and I went for an interview with a great company today. I don’tthink I am going to get it as I am missing some key skills they really need butI am very proud of myself as I think I answered articulately and concisely andI look at it as a great rehearsal for the next job I apply for. It was a great experiencefor me. I wish you the very best with your next step in this IVF game. I willbe thinking of youXXX Sorry for babbling too.
    Green – how are you doing there??
    Hi to anyone I missed and I hope all is well. I apologise for the essay too!!




    Rice – I have no frosties left either but am consideringPGD next as FS says I am a perfect candidate for it. Best of luck and I wouldbe very keen to hear how it all goes. Your story sounds quite a bit like mine.FS seems to think everything is functioning well but I have not even had achemical. I wonder what is going on as I am sure you are wondering also.

    Haydos – you are spot on about a lot of info coming fromthis thread. You may also be right about why a lot of us are getting over theline. I am sorry if I sound ignorant and I am sure you have explained before,but what is PICSI if you don’t mind me asking. Wow!! Sounds like you had agreat holiday!!

    Marzi – I see you are another who has nicknamed baby!!How cute. I have heard a lot of nicknames for the little ones but not turtle!Love it!! Glad you scare has passed. I have actually heard it is quite commonfor IVFers to give birth a couple of weeks early.

    Lilbirdy – I can understand you feel a little concernedabout talking of your pregnancy here and I think it is very considerate. Icannot speak for everyone, but me personally, I do not mind it at all as I knowyou all have been through a long road to get where you are and I do notbegrudge any of you. If anything, it gives me a lot of hope. These are just myfeelings and I cannot speak for anyone else.

    Frosty – Hi to you also. Again, it is very kind of you towant to keep pregnancy talk to a minimum but read above and see that Ipersonally don’t mind at all. How are you feeling?? There does seem to be ababy boom in here doesn’t it?

    Star – sounds like you had a lovely time on your break!!Could be just what the doctor ordered. I have had a hysteroscopy twice and asodd as it sounds, I am always upset when they tell me it looks extremelyhealthy in there. I know that is an odd statement to make but it is primarilyabout being disappointed that I still have no answers. Your stocking soundsgreat!!! You appear to be very similar to me in your tastes. I love Mecca and Ilove me some Mimco!! I have had some Oroton in my time too. Santa was as kindas ever to me also. I gotta tell you, Iam not jealous about the scuba gear!!I absolutely refuse to swim in the ocean!!I have an irrational fear that if I get more than ankle deep a shark willdevour me!! Your encounter with Mr Hammerhead validated that I should NOT begetting in the ocean anytime soon. When I was in Hawaii the guys who ran thetour boat we went on had to get in with me and hold my hand as I was completelyparanoid that a fish would touch my leg! I am so glad I did it as I got to swimup close with turtles. It was a little humiliating though as everyone else on theboat clapped and cheered that I tried to overcome my fear. A few people huggedme and said they were proud of me. Complete strangers.I felt rather childish Ican tell you. One lady gave DH her underwater disposable camera for us todevelop as she took photos of me. That was very sweet. My 2012 plans….get new job, get UTD naturally,be in a lot of trouble with new employer for falling pregnant two months intonew job and not care anyway as I finally have a BFP!! The ball is rolling onthe job front and I went for an interview with a great company today. I don’tthink I am going to get it as I am missing some key skills they really need butI am very proud of myself as I think I answered articulately and concisely andI look at it as a great rehearsal for the next job I apply for. It was a great experiencefor me. I wish you the very best with your next step in this IVF game. I willbe thinking of youXXX Sorry for babbling too.



    Green – how are you doing there??



    Hi to anyone I missed and I hope all is well.



















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    note to self....stop copying and pasting posts as for some reason I lose all spacing and paragraphing!!

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    Hi Jamison, how're you going? PICSI is amazing and I believe has enabled us to get pregnant.

    We were always told that even though DH has high DNA Fragmentation (right on the threshold), that our infertility was egg-related, so we tried everything under the sun, and nothing made any difference, our fertilisation rate was awful and any that did fertilise would die off before becoming Morulas or Blasts.

    We were one step away from using my sister as a donor or giving up when I read about PICSI (also called HA-ICSI) on Bubhub and asked FS if I could try it. He wasn't aware that it was in use yet at my clinic - so would never have suggested it, but I spoke to the head of embryology and asked if it should be something we try and she said yes absolutely.

    We tried it and got the best result we've ever had (for us, I know a lot of people get heaps of blasts but we'd only ever had 1 before), and ended up with around 5 blasts. They were of varying quality and not good enough for us to freeze any, but 1 really good one that we transferred and worked for us.

    So FS still maintains we were lucky and must have had more good eggs that cycle(???) (11/15 fertilised, not our usual 0-3! and 5 made it to blast), after 17 or so cycles of really really poor fertilisatation (a few times none fertilised at all!), I completely disagree that the improvement could be nothing to do with the PICSI, but who is to say who is right.

    Either way I read about it on here and got pregnant when I was borderline giving up. So I really really believe in discussing symptoms/procedures etc on here as it is what got me across the line, and if I hadn't of done so, don't believe I would be pregnant.

    Sorry about the long reply so far but I am so eternally grateful for this thread (thanks Starf!sh) and the other research I've done and that I insisted on Picsi even when FS said it wouldn't make a difference.


    Ok, back to your question, and again sorry for the rambling! PICSI or HA-ICSI is like normal ICSI but where hyaluronan is used in the petrie dish and the best sperm (those with least DNA damage) bind first and are then used in the ICSI. We've used a high resolution microscope before where they select the best sperm based on appearance, and they struggled to find enough good ones for us to use.

    So for people where high DNA fragmentation is an issue, this technique enables the best of a bad bunch to be chosen. Here is a definition from a newsletter my clinic sent out that may explain it better:

    Advancements in male infertility

    PICSI is a new IVF treatment which is proving very successful for couples facing male infertility, especially where there are issues with sperm DNA damage. You may be familiar with ICSI – where sperm are selected on the basis of appearance and then micro-injected into the egg. PICSI is an additional step to this treatment where there is male infertility.

    This has proved successful for couples who have struggled to conceive with ICSI in the past. With PICSI the prepared sperm are placed into a culture dish which includes a binding agent – hyaluronan. The more mature and competent sperm bind quickly to the hyaluronan and it is these sperm "the best ones" which our embryologists select for injection and fertilisation. PICSI is expected to improve pregnancy rates in several groups of patients with:
    • high levels of DNA damage within the sperm (identified in a specialised sperm chromatin test)
    • reduced sperm movement and /or poor appearance
    • poor fertilisation during previous ICSI treatment
    • poor embryo development during previous ICSI treatment
    Btw in going with the nicknames - between you and me, DH and I refer to him/her as Picsi as that is how they were possible. But it sounds a bit dumb so we don't tell anyone else that we say that.

    to everyone going through a cycle at the moment
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    Hi everyone
    Hope your week wasn't too bad, my goodness I'm looking forward to the weekend.

    I just wanted to quickly add to Haydos's post to say that we also had PICSI for the first time with our last stim cycle (and the resulting FET that's now growing inside me). DH's swimmers don't have any significant issues, but I'm now of the belief that every little thing helps.

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    Jamison, your note to self had me laughing! My OB and the midwife thought that 'turtle' was a bit different also, they had a chuckle!

    Yes I have been worried about offending the TTC girls by post in here still too.
    I'll move on to the graduate thread.

    I will always have you girls in my heart and thoughts.
    Love and hugs xx

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    Felicita, I am still closely following a few of you girls I am really wishing and hoping for a fantastic result for your last stim with your own eggs and to the baby gods THIS IS IT!! Are you going ahead Mon or Wed for EPU?
    I have to say I PMSL when I read your post about the voicemail message from your FN! I was a patient at Kogarah for a couple of years when I was working at the hospital next door and really liked the nurses there especially Mary and Sian.

    If you do find yourself on the double donation path I have found a really wonderful local website which is a wealth of information and support for all things ED or Embryo donation and would be more than happy to PM you the details down the track if you like.

    Jamison, great to hear from you, have missed your humour! for a natural BFP for you honey. It is certainly not impossible with unexplained infertility. I've even had 2 just couldn't make the buggers stick! Good luck with the BD'ing!
    Luckychance, you certainly are an IVF warrior woman! Great to have you here, would love to hear more about your story. Have you been with the same FS the whole time? I am sure you will have a wealth of info to share from your experiences. All the best for your upcoming double FET


    Rice, Have definitely seen you around as well. I have also been down the PGD path (CGH array on day 3 embies with IVFA). Wishing you all the best and hope it is the answer for you!

    Greenmum, do you have a date for your transfer?
    Loving the new graduate thread Frosty, Lily, Haydos, Marzi, Lilbirdy, Cjm Will stalk you gals there till I can join you and hope you also won't be strangers to this thread!

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    Starfish - EPU is on Monday. My first afternoon collection, so my first OMG-are-there-two-2-o'clocks-in-a-day trigger.
    My sister says she'll think of me whenever she misplaces her keys in future.
    I don't know the names of any of the nurses at Kogarah. They gave me their purple cycling leaflet on Wednesday (at first ultrasound), but didn't fill in any of the details. I've no idea who my primary nurse is (or even if I have one) or who the nursing team are (most of those I've talked to haven't seemed to know what's supposed to be happening with my cycle which has caused me a little bit of frustration and a small amount of panic). Reception helpfully gave me the nurse's direct phone number when I asked for it.


 

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