The majority of people I have seen in public housing in our area stay because they see it as their entitlement, almost as their inheritance if you like. One woman even spoke proudly of being fourth generation of the housing estate (although when I did the sums later I don't know if that could be right, not sure how long ago the public housing estate was built). Basically though, for families in this particular area, they are born there, have kids then get their own house there, then stay until they die there. That is their life, and their expectations rarely go higher.
I am sure it is not the same everywhere, and this thread makes that very clear. It is really sad thought to think that the people around this area don't aspire to anything more.
IMO public housing is a fall back support for tough times, not a lifestyle decision.
But I guess my point (and I know you know this Big ) is that sometimes it's more than just selfish people refusing to move into private rental when they can afford it.
In regards to the "single mothers should be working once their kid is in school," suggestion...
This is just too black and white IMO.
Let's pretend I didn't meet DP and am currently single (DP is not DD's father).
I do not drive. I am a learner, but even so, I doubt I can afford a car when I get my Ps and would doubt my ability to afford a car (and petrol and rego and insurance, etc etc) even moreso if I was single.
DD goes to school 5km away. This is too far for us to walk to and from, and thus we have to catch buses to get there. As it was taking 4 hours out of each day just to get her to school and back, she now catches the bus on her own (me taking her to and from the bus stop). Where we are, there are no free bus rides for school children, so it costs - at the moment it costs me abotu $20 a week just for her to catch the bus to and from school. This would be no different if I was a single parent.
Her school hours are between 8.30 and 2.30... even if I got a job between those hours, which would be highly unlikely, I'd also have to make sure that I could still drop her off at the bus stop every morning at 7.45, and be home to pick her up at 2.50. I then have to factor my travel in between those times as well... the bus travel time, my walking time and the waiting time for buses... and if I have to switch buses (and I likely would as public transport here isn't that great), I'd be a wee bit screwed.
Okay, so let's say I put her in after school care. The one closest to my home would be the one I'd pick, as obviously that means I'd just get off the bus there, go pick her up, then walk home. That one shuts at 6.15... I'd only get 15 more minutes at some other centres, or 15 mins less at the others.
Depending on where it is that I found a job, getting home might be a bloody effort to make sure I can pick her up on time... and let's say I picked her up at 6. THen I've got to walk home with her in the cold, in the dark, and then somehow prepare dinner and get her in bed by 7.30 to start the next day. Also make sure she does her homework and readers with me there too... I suppose this may happen at after school care, but I need to keep an eye on DD's homework as she is doing really well and needs to move up levels constantly. If I wasn't doing it with her (or at least reading with her), I'd have no idea and she'd fail to be challenged.
By then my clothes have been hanging on the line all day long and are damp (because it's dark by now) and so I've really only got the weekends to do the washing - meaning I've then got to make sure she has FIVE uniforms to wear - and at $40 for a polo shirt at a public school (and they're multi coloured so you cannot buy cheap versions at Big W), that's going to be costly. I suppose I'd have to have a similar amount of work clothes for myself too.
I don't have anyone here who could watch me daughter for me. My mother lives 1.5 hours away, but she works full-time and volunteers on weekends and has a social life... so it's not like I could get free babysitting that way.
I could not work weekends as there's no childcare on weekends.
I cannot access FDC because the closest is 20 mins drive away, and I do not drive, and is not near public transport.
I fell pregnant at 18 and have barely worked. I have limited education beyond high school as well. Any job I could get would be very lowly - think Coles, McDonalds, etc.
THIS is why I likely wouldn't want to work. Even so, the government has implemented a system where those who have children in school have to work anyway if they're on benefits (parenting payments)... 15 hours a week. Their kids have to be 6 or 7 ish and then they haveto work (their youngest child, that is) if they want to recieve that payment still. So regardless of how hard it is, they still have to do it... so there's no arguement to be made there anyway.
OR they can go and study... that will mean they're still dirt poor though... but they'll get hopefully get some sort of Austudy and will further their education in hopes of getting a good job oneday. (Austudy gives you less than the parenting payment single I believe).
So you know... I can see why some single parents will simply not work. It means being out all the time, never seeing their kids, being exhausted... for no real extra money. Sometimes, even less because they're paying for childcare, bus trips, uniforms, etc etc.
And YES, I could have planned better before having a baby... but I was 18 and freshly out of high school. I was not planning to have a baby, so I certainly wasn't planning on becomming a single parent... and at 18, are there really many kids out there with lots of assets? Owning a car was abotu it for my peers at that stage, and usually the car wasn't even purchased by them, but FOR them by someone else.
This just sh*ts me... when people get all, "Well I work hard," or "My tax payer dollars," or "They should just work," or "They should have planned better."
i read your other posts on here too about having assets and be ok if you spilt up, unfortuantely when kids are involved in splits its not always as easy as you would think.
I had a lovely home, ex DH and I worked hard, I had it all. But wanted a family had my DD and she is sick and disabled slowly every thing that once seemed so fab and EASy to get suddenly started to slip away.
The world is NOT black and white there is grey area in every thing it took me a long time to see that but now I have i see it in everything.
I dont live in housing comision housing i am going to be renting privately as the waiting lists are huge. I would be over the moon to get a housing comision house. Even though at 22 I was buying my own home, owned our cars out right and didnt want for anything, Now im pushing 30 a single mum to a sick disabled child and suddenly I look back and realise what a silly little cow i used to be, when i looked down on others, I look back at my attitude when i was up to about the age of 24 and I want to go back and slap my self to wake up and realise how little i knew
My mum lives in a housing comission house in one of the most sought after, wealthiest parts of Western Australia. Its lovely, she loves it and takes care of it...I don't get how thats being in a "bad cycle"? Its just someone in need using a service that they are entitled to use.
As for forcing people out into the private rental market well pfft. We rent privately and we pay $360 a week. That is considered cheap and DH is on a very good income and we still notice that come out each week. Its alot of money and for those on the average wage (what is it? $900 a week?) that is a MASSIVE chunk of earnings.
i think housing commission should be for in times of great need...not somewhere people live forever.
I lived for 5 years in housing between age 11-16 with my mum and sister...we waited 4 years living in my grandparents garage. We moved out once mum got a secure job. My mum never ever wanted to be there forever, although, it was a nice house in a good area.
The waiting lists are so long because people are no longer using it for a backup in tough times, they are thinking "i'm here now and it is mine". The idea of "handing down" a house generation to generation makes my tummy turn....it is not something that should be used as an inheritance... that house is there to rescue someone who is in peril, someone who really needs it.
I was suddenly single with a 4 month old...certainly not my plan! However, i was approved for a lovely private rental (first one i applied for). I had spent 3 months housesitting and had saved really hard so i had bond and first 2 months rent to offer(ie i put away as if i was paying rent when i was not paying any). I started out with not much furniture, but i got there slowly. It wasn't fancy, but it was mine.
Life is hard, rent is high, many (if not most) families struggle financially. We sacrifice wants because we have needs, we budget and stretch each month to make ends meet...it's part of life.
i feel, that once people on their feet, they should move on from assisted housing and let people in dire straights have their chance to get on their feet. It's not your house, it's the councils house that they use to help people.
Honestly, if we got a house for rent at $60 a week I'd stay in it forever!!!
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