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    Default Autism

    I know there are some very well read people on here & thought I might ask the question here. Does anyone know where I can find information/statistics on people with autism that have never been vaccinated?

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    Considering the two aren't linked at all, I have no idea why there would be any sort of stats on it.

    "The Vaccine War" doco is available online and has evidence from studies suggesting the Autism rates for vaccinated children are the same as they are for non-vaccinated children, which was looked into to disprove a bad rumour.

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    This is only somewhat relevant, but thought you may want to read..

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/o...000-amish.html

    It does mention about their lower rates of vaccinations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by susanne View Post
    I know there are some very well read people on here & thought I might ask the question here. Does anyone know where I can find information/statistics on people with autism that have never been vaccinated?
    I don't know about that information exactly, but here are links to a few studies dealing with autism rates and a lack of association with various vaccines. The two big ones at the top compare autism rates between those who did and did not receive MMR (but may have received other vaccines), the second compares autism rates between those who received vaccines with thiomersal (ethyl-mercury-based) preservatives, and those who received thiomersal-free vaccines. Neither study found any statistically significant difference between the groups.

    The remaining links are assorted stories/studies/research discussing the absence of evidence between a vaccine-autism link and the probable causes of Autism being genetic.

    (Thiomersal is now gone from childhood vaccines anyway, BTW)

    MMR:
    http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...ct/347/19/1477

    Thiomersal:
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/112/3/604

    The rest:
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ds.2009-2489v1
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0609131637.htm
    http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/phys...ween-mmr.shtml

    Finally, here is a report about quite a new study that compared vaccinated and totally-unvaccinated children for autism and overall health:
    http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/20...ut_there_t.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondieBride2010 View Post
    This is only somewhat relevant, but thought you may want to read..

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/04/o...000-amish.html

    It does mention about their lower rates of vaccinations.
    Age of Autism is a shockingly biased and inaccurate source. The claim that Autism is extremely low amongst the Amish is incorrect, as is the claim that they don't vaccinate.

    http://imfar.confex.com/imfar/2010/w...Paper7336.html

    http://www.suite101.com/content/auti...-amish-a157559

    http://autism.about.com/b/2008/04/23...y-be-lower.htm


    The upshot is that while autism appears to be some 40-50% lower in the Amish population, their vaccination rates aren't much lower than the general population (70% v 90%). There is also an argument that many Amish with autism go undiagnosed, so the real rate may be higher. The available evidence most certainly contradicts the oft-repeated claim that "they don't vaccinate, and they don't have autism". In the AoA article of that one community, they somehow draw the conclusion that because they have a 50% vaccination rate, this somehow caused a 97% reduction in Autism cases. How does that work?

    If there are environmental factors associated with Autism, then there is no evidence that vaccination is amongst them. There are many, many different factors involved with the Amish that one could theorise could be related to their apparent lower rates of Autism than the general community. Diet, technology, chemical exposure, lifestyle..... Why point at vaccines, when there is as much evidence to say "The Amish don't drive cars, and they don't get autism. Therefore, cars cause autism".
    Last edited by HazTechDad; 24-06-2011 at 09:10.

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    I find the whole vaccination autism link thing to be very tiresome and a little offensive to those with the condition. It suggests that the child has been damaged in some way by the vaccine...most parents of autistic children would tell you that their child sees the world differently than others and that a lot have extraordinary gifts (I acknowledge there are wide variations in presentation). It is unwise to say that amazing autistic brains have been damaged when they have so much to give to the world...if only the world would stop looking at them in the wrong way.

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    I do find it disturbing that the manufacturers of the Tripedia vaccine find it necessary to mention autism on the package insert though....some of the other stuff sounds pretty nasty too.

    Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.2

    Doesn't do much for my confidence in vaccines.

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../ucm101580.pdf

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    It says reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, doesn't that mean that anyone whose child had the vaccination and found out they are autistic could just say "a vaccine made my child autistic" - just because someone says it doesn't make it so.

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    It is a litigious society...that is why it is mentioned. While I can see how a vaccine would cause some of the negative aspects of autism, I fail to see how it would cause an exceptional skill in Maths, music or language...some of the positive aspects of the disorder. It is been thoroughly proven that there is no connection. Children with autism are not brain damaged.


 

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