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    I don't think in NSW that we get more funding based on kindergarten enrolments, and what a teacher is paid does not come out of the school budget, only casual/relief teachers are part of our budget.

    Here is some info on funding for low socio-economic schools in NSW:

    http://www.lowsesschools.nsw.edu.au/

    http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/studen...ityfunding.php

    Anyway, at my school, we don't even ask for voluntary fees, so we are already disadvantaged in that regard. Money is raised through p&c, but it's minimal and we do get funding through psp, national partnerships and others. We are the beneficiary of the local IGA as well.

    Our entire school was refurbished through the BER and my principal was smart enough to negotiate to have 17 iwb. We have a computer lab with about 18 computers and a connected classroom. Our library is brand new (also through BER) and it has an iwb and laptops for the students. Now this might all sound great (and it is) but our buildings are old (apart from the library) and require a lot of maintenance. We had to spend a lot to upgrade our electrical capacity and get a new server. Also, in the western suburbs of Sydney, it's boiling in summer and freezing in winter so air-cons have been fitted, although not every classroom has one.

    We spend funding on a non-teaching deputy (I don't really agree with this and I think funding could be better spent elsewhere) but hey, I don't run the school.

    We have a basketball court, cricket nets, 4 volleyball courts and 3 massive playgrounds.

    In my year 3 class, there are 24 students and I have an aide that is shared between my stage.

    I don't know about other schools, but we supply everything for our students, apart from uniforms and food, although we do have a breakfast club, apples and sandwiches for children who don't bring any food to school. So having to supply stationery is a big chunk of the budget.

    This all sounds very appealing! So what's the problem? Our students start school way behind others from other areas. Children come to our school without ever seeing a book, not able to recognise letters or sounds, or even know how to say the alphabet. No number recognition at all, nor being able to count objects. Now, my daughter is 3, and I don't formally teach her anything, but she knows some numbers, can count beyond ten, count up to 5 objects, she imitates reading books that I've read her. Now this might be normal for us, but at my school, children are so far behind that we have to do do much to close the gap, and it's very difficult.

    To help these kids, we need to give them the opportunity for pre-school or more support teachers to help them.
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    Yep I'm in Vic so sounds very different in some ways.
    You know I've been thinking lots today and I really have a problem with the way the BER money was handled. It's wrong that some schools were given money to enhance assets and improve the infrastructure of privately owned resources rather than being put toward government owned buildings first. The whole rush for the money grab was appallingly handled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    I don't think in NSW that we get more funding based on kindergarten enrolments, and what a teacher is paid does not come out of the school budget, only casual/relief teachers are part of our budget.

    Here is some info on funding for low socio-economic schools in NSW:

    http://www.lowsesschools.nsw.edu.au/

    http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/studen...ityfunding.php

    Anyway, at my school, we don't even ask for voluntary fees, so we are already disadvantaged in that regard. Money is raised through p&c, but it's minimal and we do get funding through psp, national partnerships and others. We are the beneficiary of the local IGA as well.

    Our entire school was refurbished through the BER and my principal was smart enough to negotiate to have 17 iwb. We have a computer lab with about 18 computers and a connected classroom. Our library is brand new (also through BER) and it has an iwb and laptops for the students. Now this might all sound great (and it is) but our buildings are old (apart from the library) and require a lot of maintenance. We had to spend a lot to upgrade our electrical capacity and get a new server. Also, in the western suburbs of Sydney, it's boiling in summer and freezing in winter so air-cons have been fitted, although not every classroom has one.

    We spend funding on a non-teaching deputy (I don't really agree with this and I think funding could be better spent elsewhere) but hey, I don't run the school.

    We have a basketball court, cricket nets, 4 volleyball courts and 3 massive playgrounds.

    In my year 3 class, there are 24 students and I have an aide that is shared between my stage.

    I don't know about other schools, but we supply everything for our students, apart from uniforms and food, although we do have a breakfast club, apples and sandwiches for children who don't bring any food to school. So having to supply stationery is a big chunk of the budget.

    This all sounds very appealing! So what's the problem? Our students start school way behind others from other areas. Children come to our school without ever seeing a book, not able to recognise letters or sounds, or even know how to say the alphabet. No number recognition at all, nor being able to count objects. Now, my daughter is 3, and I don't formally teach her anything, but she knows some numbers, can count beyond ten, count up to 5 objects, she imitates reading books that I've read her. Now this might be normal for us, but at my school, children are so far behind that we have to do do much to close the gap, and it's very difficult.

    To help these kids, we need to give them the opportunity for pre-school or more support teachers to help them.
    Excuse my ignorance but aren't they all things taught in kindergarten that a child should learn BEFORE starting school?

    Where I live you go to kindy from 4 for a year then start school when your 5 - is this not the norm?!

    At our DS private school the school supplies stationary and books - I'm sure some sort of levy covers it but we simply go in and collect it all on book day and return it covered and named on day1.

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    Almost ALL private schools are religious. They differ in the degree at which they shove it down your throat.
    Non denominational means it IS Christian but just doesn't identify with Methodist, Anglican, catholic etc.

    I just skimmed over the last posts regarding funding for low socio economic schools. Do those kids already receive more funding than the richer schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneDoe View Post
    Excuse my ignorance but aren't they all things taught in kindergarten that a child should learn BEFORE starting school?

    Where I live you go to kindy from 4 for a year then start school when your 5 - is this not the norm?!

    At our DS private school the school supplies stationary and books - I'm sure some sort of levy covers it but we simply go in and collect it all on book day and return it covered and named on day1.
    Definitely not the norm where I work. We do have an EDC (early development centre) at our school, but it's only 6 hours a week with very limited spaces. We are not allowed to operate as a pre-school. This service at our school is free, but pre-school in nsw can be expensive.

    Oh, and in NSW, kindergarten is prep, so first year of school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4underfour View Post
    Almost ALL private schools are religious. They differ in the degree at which they shove it down your throat.
    Non denominational means it IS Christian but just doesn't identify with Methodist, Anglican, catholic etc.

    I just skimmed over the last posts regarding funding for low socio economic schools. Do those kids already receive more funding than the richer schools?
    Not necessarily. What happens is that students with special needs in all schools can receive extra funding. So if the school has students with a disability or esl they will apply for extra money to assist in the costs associated with this. It is not much. Schools can also apply for grants but the costs of such a high need student population is massive compared to what might be offered. The last PISA survey showed that in reading students from lower socio economic areas trailed behind their peers by 3 full years of schooling. Trying to catch these students up is impossible with the current funding model.

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    OUr school has received a lot of upgrades the last few years, partly bc of the govt funding from the stimulus, partly bc quite frankly it's our turn. Pre 5 years ago the only word that comes to mind is dilapidated it was depressing seeing our public schools in such a shocking state while the local catholic high gets a brand new building every few years. Beautiful class rooms and grounds

    yes those schools in low income areas or ones shown to have low scores for a variety of reasons can access some extra funding. We used ours to upgrade technology (which was appalling) and we spend a lot on specialist training for our teachers in remedial or recovery reading and gifted programs. (I'm on the P&C so I'm privy to more info than most parents). That's why there's been an influx from the catholic primary. Kids that fit those categories get better attention at our school.

    Mind you, a few extra thousand bucks isn't the silver bullet to poverty and struggling kids. It in no way makes up or even levels the playing field to other schools and areas.

    But then there the gross wasting of funds for the chaplaincy program by the govt rather than funding properly qualified and non religious practitioners... but that's another thread lol
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    Thats not true at all..
    and as far as shoving it down your throat, if the school is a religious school, and you chose to go there, you cannot complain.

    There is a difference between Non denominational and Non denominational Christian.
    If a school is religious, they have to tell you. You cannot lie about it.

    I know a few of those schools are quite strictly non religious. Reddam House says it has total religious freedom.

    I do agree that its so sad that these schools are few and far between.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4underfour View Post
    Almost ALL private schools are religious. They differ in the degree at which they shove it down your throat.
    Non denominational means it IS Christian but just doesn't identify with Methodist, Anglican, catholic etc.

    I just skimmed over the last posts regarding funding for low socio economic schools. Do those kids already receive more funding than the richer schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedV View Post
    Definitely not the norm where I work. We do have an EDC (early development centre) at our school, but it's only 6 hours a week with very limited spaces. We are not allowed to operate as a pre-school. This service at our school is free, but pre-school in nsw can be expensive.

    Oh, and in NSW, kindergarten is prep, so first year of school.
    But you go from kindergarten to year one yes? Or is there a prep grade after kindergarten?

    To me the prob then is govt funded preschool (kindergarten in other states) not the funding to your school vs private schools.

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    So what about a per child Funding Model... Like ftb etc, where your income determines how much funding
    Your child has, and you choose whether to use it at public school or top it up to private levels? Surely that would be equitable?


 

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