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    Many thanks @Gagingi for the helpful tips! The initial appointment went very well -- what a whirlwind! He was very, very thorough, and the whole team were both lovely and also (so important!) incredibly organised.

    Blood tests completed, DH is off conscientiously shopping for his supplements and buying boxers right now :-D. I think he's happy to have things to do & contribute. A lot of the process so far has been focused on me - injections, scans, tests, procedures blah blah blah...

    We're starting next cycle, and Charlotte will be overseeing the protocol that Warren drew up for us today. It's a yes to the scratch, ICSI possibly PICSI, and intralipids if it turns out I have NK cells. I feel like they really know what they're doing.

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    Excellent to hear. Yes Charlotte managed some of my last cycle as Warren was away when it began. It is a whirlwind I walked out with an A4 piece of paper with scribble everywhere and about 10 fact sheets but I had a pretty clear idea of what we were doing moving forwards. If you have any questions or are unsure ring his girls they are always awesome.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubywoohoo View Post
    Many thanks @Gagingi for the helpful tips! The initial appointment went very well -- what a whirlwind! He was very, very thorough, and the whole team were both lovely and also (so important!) incredibly organised.

    Blood tests completed, DH is off conscientiously shopping for his supplements and buying boxers right now :-D. I think he's happy to have things to do & contribute. A lot of the process so far has been focused on me - injections, scans, tests, procedures blah blah blah...

    We're starting next cycle, and Charlotte will be overseeing the protocol that Warren drew up for us today. It's a yes to the scratch, ICSI possibly PICSI, and intralipids if it turns out I have NK cells. I feel like they really know what they're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessrory View Post
    I think @Keepontryin13 explained it best in her response to you.

    And yes, I think you're being argumentative here.

    I'm sorry you had a terrible experience with a female anaesthetist. I wasn't super-impressed with my last anaesthetist, but out of the five GAs I've had this year, the two anaesthetists I didn't like were old (one male, one female), so I happen to think it's an age thing. I don't think that your experience is relevant the experiences of female specialists as listed in the recent College of Surgeons Expert Advisory Group and the ensuing discussion in the media of other specialist groups. I also say that having had discussions with a number of junior doctors who are training as OB/GYNs and have been treated really poorly because of gender.

    I'm not really interested in getting into this with you in this forum, suffice to say the original poster brought up gender, I offered my opinion as to why I thought Charlotte was excellent, despite her being a practising OB (since Wazza does do some GYN) and a woman (with a young family).

    I think you owe me an apology.

    I'm simply trying to provide an insider's view of the situation. Take it or leave it. You can argue all you want with me, but I'd suggest that the information I get as a professional colleague of Wazza's, probably is a little more reliable than the information given to patients (even the most motivated ones). It's the same in any industry.

    Also, for the record, and for the casual reader: I'd be very careful taking advice and self-medicating with hormonal medications based on the advice of someone you've never met on BubHub. If you want to try something, discuss it with your doctor so at least the risks and benefits (which can be dose-dependent) are explained to you and you make a properly informed decision.

    If only the women on this forum channelled their energies into forcing IVF research from these big consortiums, I suspect that we'd all be having babies with our OE well into our late 40s by now.

    This board has been illuminating as to the mindset of patients, and I have to say that my IVF journey has definitely made me a better doctor. So that's a silver lining (albeit an expensive one).
    Exactly whom/what advice are you referring to regarding "self-medicating with hormonal medications"??

    Seeing as you're so gung-ho about the lack of research & being an "insider" & "collegue" of Warrens as well as being a "Specialist" of some unknown description....or so you claim, then why don't YOU with your "insider" contacts start channelling your energies into lobbying for more research??

    Better yet...start up some kind of a supporters group that informs women how to do this seeing as you seem to enjoy telling everyone else what they should/shouldn't do & dishing out the advice!! Having babies with your OE's into your late 40's with IVF is totally unrealistic & virtually impossible even when conceiving naturally!!

    Would've thought someone like you would know more about basic biology/fertlility!!!
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    @Charlie74 - I agree, I think everyone learns a lot from other ladies experiences on this forum, especially the things that are not "pure" medicine. It's not the patients that need to be advocating for better research, the medical specialists in this field should be doing it. I have no medical background but am married to a health professional and have some insight into the medical world and how it works. I wish some of what we pay for IVF could be funnelled into research to improve probablilty of success and in some way make this hideous minefield of an IVF process better for those who need it.

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    I actually procrastinated today about replying to @princessrory and I decided against it as I didn't think this was the thread for it but yes I was absolutely offended by your OE in the late 40's statement. I am 35 and warren has told me many times I need to use DE's which is not a decision I came to lightly and not because I care if our baby is OE or DE's as I will absolutely love our baby regardless of IF we get success with DE's or not but it is the heartache of so many other doctors or specialists telling me my OE's were okay and the amount of fails I had because of them. Warren is the first doctor who actually helped me and said it like it is. I am offended that you said that for all the ladies in their forties and for all of the ladies who will not have their OE babies no ****ing amount of advocating or lobbying can change what our bodies just can't do. . I also want to add on if you are a professional peer and colleague of warrens I would be mindful of what you write on here as I know with my profession that I would get into a lot of trouble for stating my opinion to the public regarding my workplace and my colleagues regardless of if it is fact or opinion based as their are privacy and code of conduct laws that have to be followed at all times in any occupation. Now back to warren and how awesome he is......

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    Yes, speaking of how awesome Wazza is, a few of his ex patients are putting together a tribute to him given he is winding down from the practical (hands on) side of the business and handing over to the very capable Charlotte. We want a few personal stories of patients who have experience of Wazza going 'above and beyond' the standard expectations of a fertility specialist i.e; one of my friends experienced OHSS during a stim cycle with Wazza and he visited her day and night even on the weekends and wrote to her when she returned home to check on her (that cycle brought her a beautiful daughter). Please feel free to PM me here with your story, and I will keep everything confidential and we can discuss how the information would be used. Looking forward to seeing his face when he has his 'this is your life' moment

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    Well said @Charlie74!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    If you are a health professional I would've hoped you'd have a better 'bedside manner' than to make a statement like the above. How incredibly patronising and condescending of you to make a comment like that. I'm also a health professional, and I would never in my wildest dreams want to speak to other women in this forum in this way.

    Perhaps if more health professionals offered more insightful and wholistic care to the women needing IVF then we wouldn't need to be trying to have babies well into our 40's.

    The women who come to this forum often learn more about what they can/should be doing to advocate for themselves than they will EVER learn from their fertility specialists (The doctor mentioned in this forum is definitely an exception to the rule, he goes above and beyond. But most don't.) Regardless of your thoughts on it, this forum is actually filled with women who are intelligent, switched on & sensible enough to make choices about what they do or don't want to try, or even experiment with. Doctors thank god are not the be all and end all. If a mature, thinking woman wants to take advice from other women who have knowledge and experience to share, then that's the individuals choice. I really doubt any of us need to hear that we should only take directions from doctors.

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    You're right - there is a lot to be learned here.

    But who do think advocated for the massive breast cancer research movement? Doctors? Or was it highly motivated patients? Pretty sure Glen McGrath isn't a doctor - and look at the amazing work that foundation has done. All motivated by patients.

    Or brain cancer and Carrie Bickmore wearing a beanie at the Logies?

    I'm simply telling it like it is - until patients agitate for it, the volume of research won't occur. It's not meant to be offensive, it's how research is often funded and motivated. I think there's a bunch of intelligent women on here who if they all got together could really make a huge difference to IVF for future women.

    No, I'm not going to do it - my research work is cancer. And besides - you've all made it perfectly clear that you don't like my opinions when they differ to yours.

    And it's actually about expanding what's biologically possible. Saying that the dream to be would be to offer women the opportunity to have their own genetic child in their late 40s is not offensive, it's an exciting future opportunity and one that many on here would love to have had offered to them! Don't you guys want that for future generations?

    That's all I want - I think there's a tremendous amount of energy here on these fora, and it would be great to channel it into getting the huge money-making machines that are Genea and IVF into funding meaningful, world class research, so that future generations of women don't have such a difficult journey ahead of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie74 View Post
    Fair enough. I don't think you'll get any arguments about how great it would be to have more money and energy invested into all of this. But I think in a forum like this it's just a bit full on and sounded a little judgemental (granted, maybe not intentional) to make the comments you made.

    As the saying goes 'the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step', if you are truly passionate about this, (and it sounds like you are), why don't you be the start of a movement to make those things happen? You obviously have a lot of knowledge and passion in this area, you could be the 'Carrie Bickmore' gets the ball rolling?? And FYI, I'm not being sarcastic, it's a genuine sentiment.
    You don't think I have?

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    Update from me...unfortunately it was a negative for us this cycle I was prepared for the worst but my DP was still pretty positive so he has (as always) taken it a little harder. We were hoping for a Christmas miracle...now just back to the drawing board and we'll give the DE some thought as to whether to go O/S or use the traveling donor.

    Thanks for your thoughts, and your support...have a great Christmas.

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