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    Bbhope.... yes, littlesunflowers is so right. There are different causes of Azoospermia, and some are not so dire as some of our DHs who have maturation arrest, ie. there are sperm there but they just can't get out via ejaculation. Perhaps you can actually ring up the Perth IVF clinics and ask for the names of who specialise in male factor infertility (MFI), then that way you know who to get your GP to write the referral out to. Here's a big tip for when you get your GP to write the referral out - ensure that both of your names are on the referral, otherwise DH will have to go back separately to his GP to get another referral. As well, have your GP write the name of the FS you've choosen, plus write "and other specialists at such and such clinic". What happened with us, is that when we saw the FS that I had chosen, he referred us on to a MFI FS, but specialist-specialist referrals only last 3 months, while GP-specialist referrals last 12 months.

    AFM.....I feel much more reassured now knowing that the hiding left ovary is fairly common. Went for BT and US this morning, with my regular nurse, and even she had a problem finding it, but after lots of pushing on my stomach and causing a fair amount of "period" pain, she kind of found it. It was right down the bottom, and though she couldn't see it very well, she said she was sure that there's 1 or 2 follicles in there. She couldn't measure them. On the right side, the two are now at 22, plus two useless ones less than 10. My trigger won't be until Sat night, so of course now I'm sitting here worried that these two at 22 are going to grow too much and will be bust. These thoughts seem to be driving me more crazy this time round then ever before!! Aarghhh. Anyhow, it's totally out of my hands now, and there's nothing I can do, so am trying not to worry about it. I can't wait until EPU on Monday and find out just what is inside :-))

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    Hi everyone,

    Sorry I've been MIA for weeks, I was kept ridiculously busy during our ICSI & mTESE cycle and I never had time to post! DH and I had our joint egg collection and mTESE on Friday, and sadly Dr Golovsky didn't find any sperm He had a thorough search through the right side and said everything was uniform and there was no sign of even any cells that are stage 1 in making sperm. There was absolutely no sign of anything, so he left the left side alone.

    We are gutted of course, no matter how much you try and tell yourself to expect bad news it's hard not to hold out a little bit of hope. In some ways I'm glad that the result was as finite as it was so that we can move on rather than drag ourselves through it again and still end up with the same result. They got 10 eggs from me, 6 were mature enough to freeze.

    We're recovering at home now and once we've picked ourselves back up again we'll have to start looking into donor sperm. Just a quick question on that - in NSW I know there's roughly a 3-4 month waiting period, but when you get sent the list how much choice is there? We are debating whether or not to go to QLD for treatment as I've heard the wait is less and there is more choice, but I'm just curious to know how many are roughly on the NSW list?

    Smik - a belated 'hi' and welcome to the thread, I'm sorry you find yourself here. Although we got a negative result, I have 100% faith in Dr G and you are in very good hands. Best of luck with your upcoming appointment, the waiting is the hardest bit

    MGC - how are you doing? Can understand the stress about the EPU and timing etc but I'm sure you'll be fine and they'll get some good eggs from you. Just a comment on the hidden ovary thing, I had the same thing in my last scan on Wednesday. On Monday everything was fine and the nurse found both ovaries no problem and could measure all the follicles. Then on Wednesday she found it really hard to find my right ovary and I was in AGONY (literally nearly screaming in pain) when she tried to measure the follicles. After 15-20 mins of me gripping the bed for dear life and crying with pain she gave up, but she had managed to measure 4 of them. She said it's quite common for the ovaries to move! Anyway best of luck with EPU tomorrow, will be thinking of you

    BBhope - can't add much to what the others have already advised, only that it's really important to find a male factor specialist and preferably a urologist too (most are all experts in the female side and everything is very much geared to the woman's cycles etc in our experience). On the DH side of things, I can totally empathise, mine was like that too at first. But given a bit more time to get his head around it all he came around and I would honestly say now that while this is a horrible, sh*&**y thing to go through, it has made us closer as a couple and I'm sure will make us better parents in the end. Hang in there

    Sweet - best of luck for EPU for you as well, hoping this is your time

    Hi to everyone else, sorry no more time for personals got to go nurse DH - poor guy is in a lot of pain as I think he tried to do too much too soon yesterday. He is a shocker for sitting still more than 5 mins!!

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    Ginios.... very sorry to hear that there was no sperm for Dr G to find. He's really overdue of a success story soon. My DH found days 3 and 4 the worst, as all the anasethetic had worn off by then, and the bruising was getting much worse by then. Resting is the best. And an icepack (wrapped in a teatowel) worked wonders.

    IVFA (who we're going through) has a waiting list for donor sperm of about 3-4 months. When we got the list there were about 12 Australians on the list (more than half were of Chinese ethnicity, others a cross-section), and about 12 Americans on the list (mostly Caucasian). I know that doesn't seem a lot, but by then time we crossed out our definite "no" donors, we were left with 3 who we were pretty happy with, so it wasn't too bad.

    Fertility First (in Hurstville) also do anonymous donor sperm, and they have no waiting period. I looked at their list initially, and then also had about 20-30 on their list. I can advise about any other clinics or states, though I do remember one person in WA mentioning that the wait time there is about 12-18 months.

    AFM... my EPU is going ahead tomorrow. The FS seemed to find the left ovary without too much problem, but caused me heaps of pain. But he said he can only find one follicle which measures 10mm, so that makes 2 at 24mm, and 3 at 10mm. I queried whether the 24mm are too big and are going to bust, but he didn't seem worried. I then questioned the 3 little ones, but he said sometimes they have eggs (but I've never read anything that backs that up), so I guess we'll find out tomorrow. I get the "crack-of-dawn" time, admission time is 6.30am, so will leave home at 5.30am, so will get up at 4.45am!! Yah, fun!! I hope we get 1 or 2, any more than that will be an absolute miracle. Really don't want zero, but this time have had to prepare myself for that, since it's a realistic prospect. Well, not long now to find out.

    I'm also going to have a 5 day transfer. The two times before I've had a 3 days transfer, but neither took. I said to the FS that even if we only get 1 embie, then I still want a 5 day transfer, as I really want to see how it grows to that stage. I've read a few things about embies looking good on day 3, but then stop developing on day 4, so I think it's an important step. I want to know whether it's something to do with the embryo not growing, rather than my body.

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    Sorry to hear, Ginios. I am glad to hear you are feeling strong as a couple, though, that's exactly how we feel! DH seconds the ice pack wrapped in a tea towel. QFG in QLD had no waiting list for donor sperm when we chose ours last year, and we had a choice of about 20, mostly US donors.

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    Smik when we first got the diagnosis I was horrified at using a donor, now I’m just meh. We’ve spent the last 2 years doing things that people with kids would struggle with, to make ourselves feel better.
    Bbhope Why wouldn’t you get anything back from medicare? Are you from overseas? I believe the next step is to find out if there are sperm in the testies and he is just not ejaculating them (things you never thought you’d be writing on the internet). We had a GP refer us to a FS, who then referred us to the urologist. They all wanted to take their own blood tests, I’d go with the first FS appointment but do some research in the interim on that particular Dr to see what your choices are. My DH kick up a real fuss when I made him go for the SA initially. And he didn’t want to talk about it when we got the results. There was a long wait to see the specialist (3 months than 3 months for the next specialist) in that time we were able to get our head around it a bit more.
    MGC Best of luck today.
    Ginios I’m sorry the TESE wasn’t successful. That was the exact result we had. But it does feel better to have a definite result before you move on to the next step. On the IVFA anon donor list there were between 20 to 25 to choose from. I was actually surprised with the amount of choice. The majority of those on the list were of British heritage, about 4 were Asian and about 6 with Mediterranean heritage. There were only 2 Americans on the list when I saw it. If it is an option, maybe go on both. In the end 1 donor jumped out as being right for us. You might have that moment straight away or you might need to look at a different list.
    AFM I’m rather slow to respond this cycle. Originally my EPU was supposed to be last Friday then postponed to Monday. After my scan on Friday they pushed it out again. I had another scan this morning and they’re not sure about Wednesday or Friday for an EPU. I have 10 folicles. This morning 1 was 24mm, 4 were 16 to 18mm and the other 5 were 10mm. I’m a bit over it at the moment. I feel like crap and I’m sick of wanting to snap at everyone. DH was complaining about me being hormonal last night and I absolutely cracked it at him. If they push it out to Friday DH won’t be able to come with me. I also know that the Prof is scheduled to give my SIL a C section at 7:30am on Friday. So he won’t be doing my EPU if they schedule me for then. I’ll just be paying his prices to get someone else. I’m just sick of it dragging out.

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    Sweet.... I remember one of my cycles kept being pushed out further and further, rather annoying trying to plan, I know. I guess your FS is planning to not worry about your 1x24mm and rather go for the bunch of 4x16-18mm. Considering follicles grow at about 1-2mm per day, your 4 should be about 20-22mm on Wed, so you're probably right, you'll trigger Wed night, for EPU on Fri. I know it's annoying paying for your chosen FS only to have someone different do the EPU, but that happened to us on our 3rd cycle, and I was happy with the replacement, who was lovely.

    AFM.... I had my EPU this morning. We got 4 eggs, so I was pleased about that, since there were only 5 follicles in total (2x24mm and 3x10mm). We found out this afternoon that 2 were mature, so not surprised that the little ones didn't do much. Unfortunately the scientist who rang said there was no sperm from DH that was "of the quality we wanted", so they've injected both eggs with the anon donor sperm. So I had a nice cry, to finally get over not having any sperm from DH and not going to have his baby, but now feeling emotionally better having that finally out of the way and hopeful that the anon donor sperm is now going to work. It's good to be moving on.

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    Hi To you too Ginios

    So sorry to hear about the results. It seems no one is having much luck with the micro at the moment.

    I think our cycle is doomed from the start. Yesterday when I was on my way to WFC to pick up the Synarel, I got a call from my DH. Dr Golovsky had called him & advised that the dates for the micro had been stuffed up. Basically how it was meant to be was that Dr G was flying in from USA the day before our micro. The receptionist didn't allow for the time difference & he actually is flying in the morning of our micro. He is meant to fly in at 6am & micro is booked for 7:30am. Basically, if his flight is running late, the procedure will have to be started by another dr- NOT PART OF THE PLAN! Even if he arrives on time, I am worried because of the jet lag! Arghh! This is our best chance of finding anything, I don't want anything jeopardised but because of my extremely low AMH (See next paragraph) I can't wait months for another date.

    I also got the results of my AMH! <1. It's shocking, but for some reason I am till quietly confident, maybe it just hasn't had a chance to sink in properly as we have spent years thinking it was a fertility issue with DH. All I know is the next 3 weeks are going to be interesting, love the fact I also have a cold, so trying to keep that Synarel up my nose is proving to be difficult!

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    Smik.... oh my, you are living what I thought my worse nightmare would be in regards to Dr G, arranging everything and then he would be away and couldn't do it. Unlike EPU and transfer etc where there's stacks of FS who can do it, Dr G is one of only a few. He did tell us (back last November 2012) that he's training a couple of other FS up to do his procedure, so I'm gathering that it will be one of those. The good news is that it's been 5 months since he told us that, so maybe they're fairly competent now.

    Perhaps you should make a few phonecalls and see what other options there are. Can Dr G's procedure be scheduled for later in the day (at least a couple of hours later)? Alternatively are you on a protocol that can be adjusted and do the EPU and mTESE one or two days later? You poor thing, IVF is hard enough as it is to plan and cope with. As for Synarel, spray to the outer side of your nose, then tip your head back. It's pretty yucky, but even with a cold it only needs a minute to be absorbed - the nurses said after the first minute then it's fine to sneeze and blow your nose.

    AFM.... the scientist rang this morning to say only 1 out of our 2 eggs fertilised overnight, so that's a little disappointing, particularly since it was anonymous donor sperm. So now we will hope that this one emby is the magical one. The FS wanted to transfer it tomorrow (day 2), but I said no, I've had a day 2 and day 3 transfer before that didn't work, and this time I want to see how it grows to day 5. The next update now is on Thursday, which I'm sort of fine about, as it means that I can try to do some things in the next two days without thinking about it all the time.

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    Unfortunately, our little embryo stopped growing, and this morning (day 5) it was still only 4 cells, so it's all over for us. It's very sad, because even with donor sperm we didn't get lucky, and now the possibility of it never happening seems rather real. Waiting for the FS's phonecall, then will probably take a couple of months break and try again in June or July.

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    Really sorry to hear that MGC Bertie!

    "While no road is ever straight, dedication & persistence will always lead you to your dreams!" Heard that quote a while back & it helps keep me motivated during times like ours.

    Hopefully you take the two months to relax & take some time off. Sounds like you need it. Big hugs to you


 

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